Well the reason M2K with flares is sitting at 12.7 is because it’s a limit of 2 IRCCM missiles and 2 R-27/R-24 equivalent missiles as the only loadout.
It’s not 6x IRCCM missiles of Mig-29G or F-16A.
I can’t even say 4x IRCCM missiles because no gen 4 plane has such a loadout outside old Mirage 2000 5F.
So while M2K is superior in the 1v1, its loadout is objectively worse than Mig-29Gs while both being fantastic airframes in air RB.
The 13.0 BR is already set for the 6x R-73 loadout.
Also Mig-21 is still a false equivalence fallacy, as it’s 2x IRCCM missiles on a Mig-21 airframe.
Not 6x missiles on a Mig-29 airframe which already has an example: Mig-29G.
Gaijin does not care about the ammount of missiles as said before look at the 29g and su27
I would argue that the r530d is a better radar missile than the r27r.
That br is set for the r27er and r73 missile combo if not please explain to me why the Su27 is at the same BR as the 29g even tho it has more of the same missiles
A Mig21 airframe with a better radar and better CMs as already discussed above and I bring that one up to showcase that it is apperntly fine for 11.3s to face the r73 just like it seems to be fine for them to face the magic 2 on the m2k
I mean if the issue is that with 6 R73’s the 29 would probably be 13.0, then the best outcome would be to limit it’s number to 4 R73’s and make it stay at 12.7.
In the end you will still use the R27Rs making the loadout historically accurate while staying at a much more beneficial br
Su-27 is under-BR’d, and both examples are 6 or higher.
2 is not 6, 4 is not 8.
Amount of missiles below 6 most certainly matters, and citing under-BR’d aircraft only strengthens that statement.
If missile disparity did not matter, then A-10s would not be different BRs.
F-18A and C Early would be the same BR.
JF-17 would be 13.7-14.0 instead of 13.3.
Kfir C10 would be 13.3 instead of 13.0 [referencing Su-34 which is now going to 13.7].
Missile counts when they are limited most certainly matter.
The biggest difference is getting up to 6 missiles, ideally all universal stores.
With the last notable jump being 8. After 8 it’s largely diminishing returns.
In my opinion it doesn’t make a difference whether it has 6 or 4 R-73s. If it had R-73s and R-27R/Ts, it could be either at 12.7 or 13.0 and it also wouldn’t make a difference, at least in sim and especially with new BR brackets around the corner.
The best outcome would be a fixed flight model with R-73s and R-27R/Ts at 13.0. However, this is a thread about the missile loadout.
the 29 without the ER would have 0 BVR capability in a BR range full of Tomcats, F18s, Gripens, F15s, F4F ICE and other Fox-3 13.0s
Why the fuck would it stay at 13.0 with literally 0 BVR capability and only 6x R73s.
The Gripen sits at 13.0 with 6x 9Ms and some BVR capability - but more flares, better Flight performance and much more modern avionics.
Same goes with any other 13.0 - it would be by far the worst 13.0 and would even be worse than some 12.7s like the F18C Early
Thank you for proving my statement correct by citing another under-BR’d 13.0.
@Merf_HD
You cited under-BR’d 13.0s.
Mig-29G is still 13.0 and will never be 12.7, and is not the worst as your post is obviously ragebaiting.
You just want an OP plane, and if you want one go play the F-18A for now while it’s still OP.
Less than half is not every plane.
Viggen Di x2, F-14B, Sea Harrier, Mirage 4000, J-8F, JA-39A, Kfir C10, Mig-29G, F-16A, F-14A, and probably Tornad F-3 Late & AV-8B+ x2.
11 - 14 aircraft.
Vs the 8 - 11 under-BR’d aircraft.
The only way Mig-29 with R-73s is below 13.0 is if half or more 13.0s move to 12.7 for fairness.
With 14.3 becoming a thing, the OP 13.0s can move up leaving behind the 11 - 14 13.0s that deserve to be there, and more can be added such as F-18C Early x2 making 13 - 16 13.0s deserving to be there.