In my opinion it doesn’t make a difference whether it has 6 or 4 R-73s. If it had R-73s and R-27R/Ts, it could be either at 12.7 or 13.0 and it also wouldn’t make a difference, at least in sim and especially with new BR brackets around the corner.
The best outcome would be a fixed flight model with R-73s and R-27R/Ts at 13.0. However, this is a thread about the missile loadout.
Why would a worse MiG-29G sit at the same BR?
Same reason why a mig29g and su27s are at the same br
Su-27s are at least bigger and heavier, and a little slower.
Because they carry more missiles drop your payload to 4 and it will be similar to a MiG
why would the 29 with R27 and R73 sit at 13.0 but the F18C Early with like 6x 7Ps and 2x 9Ls is at 12.7
the 29 without the ER would have 0 BVR capability in a BR range full of Tomcats, F18s, Gripens, F15s, F4F ICE and other Fox-3 13.0s
Why the fuck would it stay at 13.0 with literally 0 BVR capability and only 6x R73s.
The Gripen sits at 13.0 with 6x 9Ms and some BVR capability - but more flares, better Flight performance and much more modern avionics.
Same goes with any other 13.0 - it would be by far the worst 13.0 and would even be worse than some 12.7s like the F18C Early
The only logical solution would be 12.7 lol
Thank you for proving my statement correct by citing another under-BR’d 13.0.
@Merf_HD
You cited under-BR’d 13.0s.
Mig-29G is still 13.0 and will never be 12.7, and is not the worst as your post is obviously ragebaiting.
You just want an OP plane, and if you want one go play the F-18A for now while it’s still OP.
so if every plane around the Mig-29 is under br’d are you sure that they are really under br’d or you just not trying to accept the obvious
give me one plane from 12.3 to 13.0 that isnt under BR’d in you opinion
Less than half is not every plane.
Viggen Di x2, F-14B, Sea Harrier, Mirage 4000, J-8F, JA-39A, Kfir C10, Mig-29G, F-16A, F-14A, and probably Tornad F-3 Late & AV-8B+ x2.
11 - 14 aircraft.
Vs the 8 - 11 under-BR’d aircraft.
The only way Mig-29 with R-73s is below 13.0 is if half or more 13.0s move to 12.7 for fairness.
With 14.3 becoming a thing, the OP 13.0s can move up leaving behind the 11 - 14 13.0s that deserve to be there, and more can be added such as F-18C Early x2 making 13 - 16 13.0s deserving to be there.
The Mig-29G is one of the worst 13.0 planes, and if you take away it’s R-27ERS it does not have anything but IRCCM missiles that make it worthy of 13.0. Comparing it to the Gripen, or F-16AM it is worse in nearly every way.
That requires Gaijin to do decompression properly, which is incredibly easy and simple to do. With how Gaijin decided to decompress, 13.3 would kill any non-ARH aircraft since they would still face top tier, and would face even more planes that they are considerably worse than.
Move every 13.3/13.7/14.0 plane to 13.7/14.0/14.3, and bring the F-4F ICE, Tornado F.3 Late, J-8F (If it gets IRCCM AAMs), SU-33, Su-27, F-15A, F-15J, and the F-2 to 13.3. This is incredibly easy/simple and will mostly decompress 13.0. Why Gaijin chose not to do this completely escapes me, and it’s awful that they haven’t.
Mig-29G is superior to F-14B and Sea Harrier, on-par with Mirage 4000 and F-16A.
Your post is implying that F-16A and Mirage 4000 are the worst 13.0s while F-14B and Sea Harrier are worse than them…
War Thunder air RB is not 1v1 tournaments, their 1v1 performance is not a notable factor otherwise F-2A would be 14.3 with the others and F-15E would be the same; or lower BR than F-15C according to your post’s preference of having faster but worse dogfighting vehicles to be a lower BR…
If F-15E can be a higher BR than better dogfighting variants using the same loadout [back when it did], then the Mig-29G can be the same BR as F-16A and Gripen while using 6x IRCCM missiles that are potent.
And yes, Mig-29 is significantly faster than F-16A and Gripen.
Also the OP 13.0s have no issue facing at most 4x4 14.0s per side, that’s what their RWRs are for and they have team mates to assist. Again this is not a 1v1 game mode.
oh yea the viggens are so bad that the premium viggen has a better KD than the Mig-29G and a better winrate
meanwhile the Su-33 which would be the clostest equivalent for a 13.0 premium in the russian tech tree:
if the viggen is truely one of the worst 13.0s why is the premium one doing so good?
I forgot those were a thing, but the Harrier needs it’s historical performance, and the F-14B needs 9MS.
I’m not asking for it to go down, I think it should remain at 13.0 until Gaijin does heavy decompression at 13.0 or other BRs below it.
At the cost of only being faster for 5 minutes until it runs out of fuel.
The issue isn’t with 14.0s, it’s with the 13.7s. That was a comment on how poorly Gaijin chose to decompress to 14.3 because their “decompression” doesn’t fix anything.
I know that, and I never said otherwise. All I did was say how I think Gaijin should decompress. Move 13.3 up, and move any supersonic 3rd gen with IRCCM and ARH up, and move most 4th gens with SARH and IRCCM up too.
I find it funny how the Su-33 has worse stats than the 29G despite the 29G being worse in nearly every way (CMs, RWR, Flight performance, Endurance, Missile count, etc)
And back to the Mig-29s. The Mig-29G is fine at 13.0, but 13.0 needs to be decompressed. The 12.7 Mig-29s should lose their R-27ERs in exchange for gaining R-73s. The Mig-29 Sniper should be 13.0 with R-73s and R-27ERs. I don’t think the Mig-29s with R-73s will be too good for 12.7, and if they are they can go up when the BR changes happen.
Removing 27ERs in favor of R-73s would definitely warrant a BR reduction, especially for such a crappy airframe.
the Mig-29 sniper also never had the 27ER and only the r-73
so it should as well be 12.7 then
and i think it would make a solid premium if changed like that
You grabbed the wrong JA-37D…
Thanks for proving Viggen pilots are more skilled than Su-33 pilots despite being in a worse platform.
Statshark is saying one thing and your post is trying to say another.
Statshark is saying Mig-29G and JA-37D pictured have superior players playing them.
Statshark is not saying that the Mig-29G is the best 13.0 in the game, contrary to your post’s implications.
OP jets get played more
Alright. All I’m saying is that R-73 Mig-29s stay at 13.0 alongside their slower but better dogfighting counterparts: Gripen A and F-16A. They should all be the same BR irrelevant of what bugs aren’t fixed.
In Mig-29’s case the thrust curve issue.
@MotorolaCRO
If you think Mig-29 has a bad airframe, wait until you use F-15E or even worse: Su-34.
Vehicles having a “bad” airframe does not make them inherently bad. F-15E makes up for it with speed, so does Mig-29.
I’ve played both 29 and Su-34 and didn’t like neither of their airframes. Buses often have mitigating factors like great radar missiles so you can play around the fact they’re bricks.
It being speedy doesn’t really help much if you would mostly rely on close combat with IR missiles.
I had super difficulty learning the Su-27’s flight performance cause I wasn’t use to it.
Mig-29 has a thrust curve issue where it produces too little thrust between 400 - 650kph, so that one’s an issue on a whole other level.
However in air RB where I operate above 800kph the Mig-29’s thrust curve issue doesn’t appear.
HMS makes close attacks easier with thrust vectoring missiles, and Mig-29 very much is not a brick.
Regardless, losing 27ERs in favor of R-73s would be a net negative for any aircraft at around that BR, especially brickies and semi brickies.
