That’s why the Aim9L only F-16A did so well at 12.7… Oh wait…
the reason why you might feel like that is because the R60M is so heat-hungry that it will fly through the Flare and then track the engine again.
The R60M has no temperature differential system and will ALWAYS go for the hottest thing it can see, no matter how many signals are on the seeker
The seeker ist physically unable to switch between targets that arent in the same temperature range - wich isnt the case for engines and flares
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No u
im so close to getting banned rn
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it did and ppl like you are the reason why it is 12.3 now
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They are not. Their smoke trail is barely visible even to the shooter. Here’s your “quite visible” missile:
Wow, the R-73 is ALMOST unflareable in literally THE best situation for a heatseeker to be? Crazy!
AIM-9M has more range and provides better chances of a kill in all situations that don’t involve high off-bore launches. It is also invisible and countering it without MAWS is next to impossible.
It gets infinite downtiers to the premium horde at 12.3, with better armament than F-16AJ or equivalent and at the same BR.
R-60M has such bad flare resistance the only chance this happens is if it passes through the flares and re-acquires the enemy after that. It’s also not truly all-aspect so you cannot use it in most scenarios where short range IR missiles are useful.
best R-60M ever made, travels 20km and still hits the target!
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Chill… ahahah
So, back to the class…
9L has narrower fov which technically means better flare resistance at distance.
But both are quite flare hungry in most instances so thats essencially irrelevant.
For non IRCCM missiles, the faster the missile, the better. Not because of flare resistance but more because it gives less reaction time. And the 9L is a SLOW missile in the start, even slower than 9J for example.
Magic 1s, PL-5C and the all aspect r60m are faster and as such, more reliable at very short ranges. Any of those are easily flared at 1km+ if you are paying attention. Unless you fly a tomcat or harrier because those burn very hot.
@Merf_HD
Mig-29G is 13.0 because of R-73s. R-27ERs never had anything to do with it for Gripen and F-16A are 13.0 currently without R-27ERs.
8 / 16 + 8 is not 90%, it’s 33%.
33% is not all planes.
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so why isnt the Mig-21 bison 13.0 it also has the r-73
- F16A is not 13.0
- Gripen has infinite flares and one of the best flight models ingame
Well done. You managed to read.
The 9m in that situation is easy to flare, and its not the best situation for it. Side aspect is.
R-73 and 9M have similar range and both are slow IR missiles. That’s why many prefer magic 2s/pl5eII over the R-73
Wrong. I already told you it works much worse at rear aspect compared to gatewidth IRCCM on relevant distances
You never played the thing… And it being a 13.0 gets no different treatment than all the other 13.0s. Many 14.0-13.7 uptiers.
you said the r-73 akes the 29G 13.0
so why isnt the bison 13.0 simple question
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Mig-21 is not a Mig-29 nor does it have 6x R-73s.
When Mig-21 suddenly becomes a Mig-29 and has 6x R-73s it can be 13.0. Until then it’s vastly inferior.
Anyone comparing Mig-21 to Mig-29 are living in a fantasy world.
And I see @Merf_HD is flat out lying:
You guys are either trolling or naive. It’s very obvious he is talking about the belgian F-16A that was already mentioned many times here.
I think you’re confusing it with the r24t which has the best range band values for a non irccm missile.
9l
r60m
theyre both equally sensitive in terms of ratio to flares and rear aspect engines
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Why is the F-111C 11.7 and the US F-16A 12.3? Take a wild guess.
ok then let me list all planes that would be significantly better than the 29A with R73 and without ER that are either 13.0 or even lower
F15A, AV8B Plus, F14B ,F18C , F4F KMS LV, SU-27, SU-33, MiG-29G, Gripen, F15J, F2A, J8F, M2K CS5, M4K, F14 IRAN, F16A (belgium), BAZ
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because of the brainlets flying them
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Thanks for clearing that up.
Anyway. My point is that both have bad flare resistance. R60m gives less reaction time. Which I prefer because the enemy has less chance to flare on time or even notice the missile.
F-14B, AV-8B are inferior.
F-18C is on-par only because of flight performance but has worse weapons.
Gripen, Mirage 4000, and F-16A are on-par.
Mirage 2000 CS5 is inferior due to weapons limitations.
F-14A is obviously inferior.
Mig-29G is literally the same exact aircraft.