yes ur rigth the r60m is 100times better
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then you did something wrong if you shoot a 9l at close range
who would have thought that it will not work properly if you dont use it as intended
now how about you test something
fire both a r60 and a 9l at someone in rear aspect at 2.5km
and see witch one will hit
suprise the r60 will be worse than the 9l in that scenario
I know how to use 9L, but because of how AirRB plays out, it’s unreliable. Players randomly flare, and shoot missiles at stuff.
if guy as a flare, none will. Thats too long of a shoot. Plenty of time to react
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and the r-60 is affected by that as well
you are saying the objectively worst all aspect IR missile is somehow better than the 9l
This is just wrong.
The R60s seeker ist like 300000x bigger than on the 9L
So logically the 60 would need to be significantly faster than the 9L and already be inside of the enemy aircrafts engine in order to ignore flares.
Maybe, below 500m this is effective
but everything above, especially in the mid range area of liek 1-2km the aim-9L is much more flare resistant due to having a native seekerhead that is much much smaller
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Ofcourse it is. Thing is that it works better at short ranges, end of story. Thats my preference, both are equal level in my book, different playstyles. I just like the 60m better.
your preferences do not change the facts
the 9l is more flare resistant and has way more range
the 9l is also an apropiate missile for the 12.0 to 13.0 br range, the r60 is not
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you are wrong
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R-60M has 5deg
9L has 3.6
But there’s more to that. If I recall correctly, the 60m is more sensitive to engine plumes. In my experience the 60m is better at short range rear aspect, and from flaring both, I also notice the 60m seeker floating back and forth between the flare and engine more often while the 9L bites on the flare and goes away
That’s why the Aim9L only F-16A did so well at 12.7… Oh wait…
the reason why you might feel like that is because the R60M is so heat-hungry that it will fly through the Flare and then track the engine again.
The R60M has no temperature differential system and will ALWAYS go for the hottest thing it can see, no matter how many signals are on the seeker
The seeker ist physically unable to switch between targets that arent in the same temperature range - wich isnt the case for engines and flares
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No u
im so close to getting banned rn
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it did and ppl like you are the reason why it is 12.3 now
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They are not. Their smoke trail is barely visible even to the shooter. Here’s your “quite visible” missile:
Wow, the R-73 is ALMOST unflareable in literally THE best situation for a heatseeker to be? Crazy!
AIM-9M has more range and provides better chances of a kill in all situations that don’t involve high off-bore launches. It is also invisible and countering it without MAWS is next to impossible.
It gets infinite downtiers to the premium horde at 12.3, with better armament than F-16AJ or equivalent and at the same BR.
R-60M has such bad flare resistance the only chance this happens is if it passes through the flares and re-acquires the enemy after that. It’s also not truly all-aspect so you cannot use it in most scenarios where short range IR missiles are useful.
best R-60M ever made, travels 20km and still hits the target!
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Chill… ahahah
So, back to the class…
9L has narrower fov which technically means better flare resistance at distance.
But both are quite flare hungry in most instances so thats essencially irrelevant.
For non IRCCM missiles, the faster the missile, the better. Not because of flare resistance but more because it gives less reaction time. And the 9L is a SLOW missile in the start, even slower than 9J for example.
Magic 1s, PL-5C and the all aspect r60m are faster and as such, more reliable at very short ranges. Any of those are easily flared at 1km+ if you are paying attention. Unless you fly a tomcat or harrier because those burn very hot.
@Merf_HD
Mig-29G is 13.0 because of R-73s. R-27ERs never had anything to do with it for Gripen and F-16A are 13.0 currently without R-27ERs.
8 / 16 + 8 is not 90%, it’s 33%.
33% is not all planes.
so why isnt the Mig-21 bison 13.0 it also has the r-73
- F16A is not 13.0
- Gripen has infinite flares and one of the best flight models ingame