I meant really just not giving it for sake of making it better since 12.3 with F20 and MiG21 bizon is reasonable.
Iam here arguing for a historical Mig29 and when it was introduced it was standard for it to use the r27r and r73 with its HMS
I would be quite hypocritical of me to argue that it should have the 27e removed for it to be historycal but at the same time to advocate for the removal of the hmd which would be ahistorical
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True.
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The F16a is at 12.3
The F16a adf is at 12.7
On top of that I never said anything about any F16
You were the one that randomly brought it up after telling me a few times that I have a supposed skill iasue
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He’s speaking about the one in the French tree, and it’s wild that he’s comparing AIM-9Ms to R-60Ms.
Thanks, I’ve added that to avoid misconceptions. But its about R-73 +27R vs Aim9M only
Nonsense, look at the BR of the Sea Harrier FRS.1 with 2 AIM-9Ls and with 4.
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Good point, or the A-10s
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The higher we go in br the less gaijin cares
It is not like I have not given an example
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Since belgian F-16A is at 13.0, MIG-29 is also likely to rise to 13.0BR.
The f16 also has way better flight performance and better avionics, with the ability to take way more CMs than the mig29
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Isn’t R-73 better than AIM-9M carried by Belgian F-16A? In addition, MiG-29 has HMS.
I would say that the 9m is better in any scenario that isn’t a rear aspect shot or a close range dog fight.
And if the f16 gets into a dogfight it can just easily win with its flight performance
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Yes, in 1v1s the F-16 is superior.
However, in air RB you’re more furball management in wolfpacks, which is less about dogfight performance and more about positioning at speeds well above 800kph, which the Mig-29 and F-16 do in a meta fashion.
And of course with HMS on an IR primary platform, Mig-29 does rather great at 13.0.
After all, my Mig-29G loadout was 6x R-73s, and for the most part still is.
However, in a 1v1 where both players are last of their teams, it’ll be down to who manages their flares better, and while F-16 can win the long fight, Mig-29 can and will win the short fight.
Both platforms contain more missiles than effective flare count, even with conservative usage.
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I would say that even in the normal rb match the 9m has certain strong points, sure the missile diamond is still there but you are still less likely to notice the missile without a thick smoke trail behind it
On top of that BRs shouldn’t really be decided by looking at 1 plane in isolation and then balancing everything around that. You should look at the already existing planes at that BR and then think about a fitting BR.
Currently there are M2Ks at both 12.3 and 12.7 with a pretty comparable IR missile to the r73 and a better sarh missile than the r27r and then there is also the Mig21 bison at 12.3 with the r27r and r73 combo which shows that that combination of weapons does not instantly justifies 13.0.
And last but not least:
The BR can still be changed after the fact if the Mig29 would be really that OP, it is not like it would be set in stone.
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