[Poll] Remove the R-27ER from the early MiG-29 variants

No. Match presence is being able to act not just react.

Fly high at start and launch from 30km
Hug ground shoot from distance at high flyers
Head ons
Can still rat with R60s, even though they are terrible, 3rd party etc

All gone with the removed missile

Replaced with ratting on the side, trying to 3rd party while dodging fox 3 with no answer… until furball starts and trying to dunk on them. Its not really a choice

I wont even waste the silver on the plane as it is RN so crack on making it even worse if you like. Hopefully one day it might be saved with decompression

you are not proving anything
you can still act with the Gripen, if you position yourself correctly

you failed to explain how the r-73 would make the mig-29 worse
you never played any mig-29

all you are doing is making arguments you cannot back up and saying that you dont like to rat around, in a jet you never even played, if it is that good play it on your account

all iam heraing is a guy that has no clue what he is talking about, you failed to explain to me as well how the Mig-29G with a worse match maker is doing better than the normal mig-29

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ngl they all got basically the same stats in terms of k/d or k/s, i doubt gaijin will change them. they seem to be doing just fine

Its pretty simple

With present loadout you can shoot far and close. Any angle

With your loadout u can shoot close only

So close only when most others are shooting far= you are a rat plane. Theres no tactics you can employ that change it from being what it is.

Add any plane that fights vs decent missiles in place of mig29 that only has fox 2 and its the same story…

I told you why, Mig 29G has options/ better missiles. Doesnt matter if the 12.7 is fighting a phantom - the r60s are that bad. While locks with R73s are decent vs any jet in the game.

You could load up your MIG29 with R73s only and show us. ATM its all talk

The mig 29 isnt that good? Iv got 2.5 mill silver rn id sooner buy crates (never bought a crate)
Iv played it for a buch of games, it took 5 mins to realise it offers nothing the flanker doesnt do better. I played the A5C for a bunch of game which i dont have either and it was easy to know i want it, its fun AF.

When uv played WT enough it doesnt take long to get a good idea what the plane is about

how many more times do you have to be told that the Mig-29 will retain the r-27r, reading comprehension is at all time low
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https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/379748522843695768?public_key=UOWlwLc8M1wOUKRPSEy9
here have the server replay

Mig-29 with a historical german loadout made out of the r-27r and the r-73
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Actually there used to be an option to have a MiG-29 flight into the stratosphere or a 20 minutes flight with some aerobatics. There are still videos on YT posted since that time. But it just tells about MiG-29 capability to reach that altitude if anything else. Still pissed that i missed the chance but at that time i didn’t even knew there was this attraction.

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Honestly if MiG-29 goes to 13.0 then there is no reason for it to loose ERs. There is an entire MiG-29G with fake ERs after all. Game really needs 12.0 and above decompression.

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So 12.7 = 2x 27r and 4 x r73s? This is not too shabby

I was under the impression it goes to 13.0 and if staying at 12.7 it would have R73s only…

At a guess it must have well over a 1:1 power weight ratio with enough afterburning power to climb in the thin air as other jets cant. Or something giving it the climb that others dont have

Well, it does have more than 1 TWR, and RD-33 is actually one of the most powerfull jet engines in its weight class. Early production RD-33 suffered from extremely short service life but that was fixed a long time ago. Ifo that i looked at shows that this flight takes place at around 18 km of altitude in a MiG-29UB.

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Even if it did down low, it won’t have 1:1 TWR up there though.

12.7 (unless decompression) = 6x R73 / 4x R73 + 2x R27R
Realistically, most people will choose to carry the two R27Rs since the R73 is fairly easily flared and/or dodged kinetically. EDIT: NOT DODGED KINETICALLY, check my next message

Regardless, the most important thing in my opinion is that Gaijin should model planes and their weapons as they are/were historically, and then use the br system to balance them instead of balancing through artificial weaponry and flight model changes (if that means removing the R27ER from the MiG-29G and the AIM-9J from the F-104G, for example, then so be it)

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No?

what R73 are you using bro??? Unless you fire at like mach 2 0.20 in high speed high offbore head on it will hit. Plus the burn time is good so shouldnt have much problems until like 4km+

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I’ll be honest, I said that based on what I’ve heard online about it being fairly easy to bait R73s into a flat spin, but I may very well be wrong. However, they are still fairly easy to flare if you know what you’re doing (i.e. flare right before pulling on the stick to take advantage of the narrow window where the seeker is off due to irccm), which means that it would still work fine for 12.7 (or 13.0 if further decompression)

Its only easy to get it into a flat spin under like 0.20km and at high speed. But yeah you are right about the flaring part

12.7 with R-73 and I would club non-stop with the mig29.
That also means Gripen A and for sure the Belgian F-16A to 12.7.

12.7 would be ruined in favour of those 3 jets

we already have F-18 at 12.7 that clubs non stop. Several of them actually. We have F-16 at 12.3, and it’s premium cousin - F-20. Sure i would rather have decompression but saying that MiG-29 will club while there is already plenty of sealclubbers is dishonest.

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Dishonest is comparing the 12.7 f18c early to a mig29G without 27ERs.

They aren’t in the same level of effectiveness at all.