[Poll] Remove the R-27ER from the early MiG-29 variants

it is not
if you think the r-73 would make the Mig-29 absolutly irrelevant, then you are wrong

just becuause you cant use the Gripen dosent mean it is a bad plane

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Gripen is a great plane but with fox 2s only is the hardest 13.0 to use… even with its top FM and CMs for days

What your proposing looks very similar but so much worse than the grippy.

12.3 with 6 r60s, no fox1 comparable.to the f16a would maybe work and sounds better to me anyway.

If not the mig29 doesnt have a job until decompression as the flanker is just on another planet and is only .3 above

shows you have no clue what you are talking about

the Grippen is great even tho it only has IR missiles

and the Mig-29 still has radar missiles the 27er isnt the only radar missile it has access to

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Its really not.

Any plane that fights vs TT with this loadout isnt good, simple logic as FM only goes so far vs 16 fox 3 spammers. Do you even play TT? Go watch defn struggle…

a KD of 1 isnt doing bad, it is doing average
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meanwhile all 12.7 Mig-29s are having a worse KD, which dosent make sense since it has the r-27er so why isnt it doing better than it?

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but hey lets look at the Mig-29G, which got the r-73
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oh wait it is doing better than the other migs even tho it is at a higher BR with the only difference being that it has the r-73, which dosent make sense since that missile would be useless acording to you

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It does make sense.

Mig 12.7 gets 2 kils max and copes with r60s

Mig with r73s has more options = more kills overall.

The grippy 13.0 i imagine is generally used by good players only (or fools like me that like a challange)

Being very hard to use and fighting mostly the same as 13.7 most will just go 13.7… cant blame them.

so how come that the r-73 would make the base mig-29 worse?

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Because it loses the little battle presence it has in exchange to become a straight up rat plane.

Doesnt the mig 29 IRL fly near space?
I half remember plesure flights existing to the edge of space, could just be tripping though lol

I wouldnt fly much from the ground with no 27ers.

No
you are talking about the Mig-25 and Mig-31

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if you cannot understand how having 6 good/ useable missiles is better than having only 2 OP ones than i cannot help you besides saying git gud

if you think the mig-29 isnt aleready a rat palne you are wrong
because over 60% of your missiles are onyl useable when you are ratting around

if you think you are losing match presence when you lose the r-27er in exchange for the r-73 you have no clue what you are talking about, because you gain match presence during the middle of the match and also during the ending, while only being unable to be part of the initial BVR shit show

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No. Match presence is being able to act not just react.

Fly high at start and launch from 30km
Hug ground shoot from distance at high flyers
Head ons
Can still rat with R60s, even though they are terrible, 3rd party etc

All gone with the removed missile

Replaced with ratting on the side, trying to 3rd party while dodging fox 3 with no answer… until furball starts and trying to dunk on them. Its not really a choice

I wont even waste the silver on the plane as it is RN so crack on making it even worse if you like. Hopefully one day it might be saved with decompression

you are not proving anything
you can still act with the Gripen, if you position yourself correctly

you failed to explain how the r-73 would make the mig-29 worse
you never played any mig-29

all you are doing is making arguments you cannot back up and saying that you dont like to rat around, in a jet you never even played, if it is that good play it on your account

all iam heraing is a guy that has no clue what he is talking about, you failed to explain to me as well how the Mig-29G with a worse match maker is doing better than the normal mig-29

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ngl they all got basically the same stats in terms of k/d or k/s, i doubt gaijin will change them. they seem to be doing just fine

Its pretty simple

With present loadout you can shoot far and close. Any angle

With your loadout u can shoot close only

So close only when most others are shooting far= you are a rat plane. Theres no tactics you can employ that change it from being what it is.

Add any plane that fights vs decent missiles in place of mig29 that only has fox 2 and its the same story…

I told you why, Mig 29G has options/ better missiles. Doesnt matter if the 12.7 is fighting a phantom - the r60s are that bad. While locks with R73s are decent vs any jet in the game.

You could load up your MIG29 with R73s only and show us. ATM its all talk

The mig 29 isnt that good? Iv got 2.5 mill silver rn id sooner buy crates (never bought a crate)
Iv played it for a buch of games, it took 5 mins to realise it offers nothing the flanker doesnt do better. I played the A5C for a bunch of game which i dont have either and it was easy to know i want it, its fun AF.

When uv played WT enough it doesnt take long to get a good idea what the plane is about

how many more times do you have to be told that the Mig-29 will retain the r-27r, reading comprehension is at all time low
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https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/379748522843695768?public_key=UOWlwLc8M1wOUKRPSEy9
here have the server replay

Mig-29 with a historical german loadout made out of the r-27r and the r-73
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Actually there used to be an option to have a MiG-29 flight into the stratosphere or a 20 minutes flight with some aerobatics. There are still videos on YT posted since that time. But it just tells about MiG-29 capability to reach that altitude if anything else. Still pissed that i missed the chance but at that time i didn’t even knew there was this attraction.

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Honestly if MiG-29 goes to 13.0 then there is no reason for it to loose ERs. There is an entire MiG-29G with fake ERs after all. Game really needs 12.0 and above decompression.

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