Either you never launched R73 or never played any western missile lmao
6 guaranteed kills vs 6 guaranteed kills. Pretty similar level of effectiveness
Mig29 could stay at 12.7 by being limited to carry a max of 4 R73s and 2 R27Rs
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I want to see you get consistently 4 kills in the f18a or c early. Nevermind the 6 kills
So you are also of the opinion that the belgian f16a should also currently move to 12.7? It has a worse loadout than that.
It can’t because documents show that’s not possible.
On top of that, no high agility aircraft is sitting at 12.7 with 4 - 6 IRCCM missiles.
The only way Mig-29 is 12.7 is if over half of 13.0s drop back to 12.7 for fairness.
Otherwise it’s “Russian bias”.
Forgot that people don’t read threads sometimes so I added the context of the replied to post as well.
Mirage 2000C S4 at 12.3
Mirage 2000C S5 at 12.7
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Neither of those are 4 - 6 IRCCM missiles.
I am of the opinion that with the mig29 (with 4 r73s and 2 R27Rs) at 12.7, it would be a direct counterpart of the mirage 2000 cs5 per asymmetrical balance.
The mig would get 2 more ir missiles, in exchange of pretty much anything else; fm, countermeasures count, avionics etc
You wanna use R27ERs or 6 R73s?
Well there’s the MiG29G for you at a higher br
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Mirage 2000 only has 2 IRCCM missiles, and 2 mediocre SARH missiles that are definitely much worse than the base R-27R.
Furthermore, it doesn’t have HMD, and the PD radar is high prf only. The Mig-29 has a better radar, which can hold all aspect locks much better, FM wise they are about on par, with some different strengths.
I don’t know about you, but my effectiveness with both of these current jets is almost the same with a ± 3 KDR, and they are both very good 12.7s in my opinion.
Giving the Mig-29 R-73 even at the cost of 27ER would definitely be very unbalanced at 12.7 in my hands.
and here you are again changing context of your posts your words were the following:
and nothing else, but you couldnt leave your post like that after being proven wrong
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Mig-29 has a superior radar.
Thrust curve is incorrect but bugs shouldn’t impact BRs so that doesn’t matter. [This is a take demanding the bug be fixed.]
4x IRCCM missiles means 0.3 BR increase on its own.
Radar missiles are about the same.
Countermeasure ability is about the same.
Mirage 2000 has a superior RWR.
Even with your idea, 9 - 14 13.0s have to be moved to 12.7 for fairness.
Based on what
Awful take. Bugs that impact performance are absolutely BR changing issues.
According to your worthless take.
Yeah, it’s not like the MiG-29 only has 60CM and the Mirage 2KCS5 has literally 162 countermeasures or anything
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@Normandy_Corsair
Based on modes and lock retention.
Mirage 2000C, F-14A/B, F-4J/S/FG/FGR2, and Tornado ADV are in general weaker radars compared to Mig-29, Su-27, F-15, F-16, etc.
I bring 60 flares in Mig-29, and I bring maximum flares available in Mirage 2000 which is 50.
At 13.0 flare count matters more for dealing with AIM-9Ms and AAM-3s if I fail to pre-flare properly, but that’s generally a universal problem regardless of flare size. Large caliber is best for chaff, but I’ve only brought chaff on F-15E recently cause most jets just lack climb rate to where high altitude BVR is great with PD radars, and Mirage 2000 is especially slow to altitude. With Mig-29 I’ve just used speed and maneuvering to defeat AIM-7s and other R-27s.
Missile count quite literally impacts BRs as it should.
And Mig-29’s thrust curve should be fixed, which is of no surprise that your post argues fixing bugs is a bad take.
Such as?
So subjective things you’ve found through your own gameplay, which we all know is an unreliable source…
This is fully false.
Misrepresenting an argument intentionally is against forum rules Alvis. You wouldn’t want to lose access to this forum would you? I know you hold it dearly… *inappropriately flagged.
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lets just ignore that you also need chaff and that the Mirage always caries 152 chaff
no it does not you need both caff and flares becasue you are facing strong radar missiles as well
and lets not forget the MAW that the Mirage 2000C S5 gets, also not forget that the M2K gets large calibre Flares, the Mig-29 dosent
you know what also affects BR?
the quality of the missile kit.
you know what the r-27r is?
a worse missile than the r-27er, which is at 13.0
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m2k PD modes can’t see non-headon targets. it’s frankly not very hard to figure this out.
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And yet, that is not the full picture. MiG-29’s radar has some god awful qualities to it that reduce its usability significantly in some situations. One such predominant “quality” is the abysmal scan rate. It’s frankly not very hard to figure this out.
Lacking all aspect PD would make the mirages radar worse.
Don’t agree. I find them to be relatively equal because the 29 has so many issues with the radar.