term in a bunch of sim discords, probably won’t show up on forums. i bet @ron_23 would know it.
not sure if its trim or not, in duels he would play with unlimited fuel on.
Most people do. Thats default practise from what i’ve seen since ever. Minimum fuel and unlimited fuel. He has a young account, I’m sure that’s not his “invention”. If anyone “invented” that was gaijin lol
So make it useless?
I don’t think you do. I doubt you’ve seriously sat down and looked at their performance.
With a crap FM?
Why would this stay the same BR if it lost its r27er
Why would one of the worst 13.0s stay 13.0 after losing 2 out of the 3 good missiles it has.
No.
No.
In what world does this make any sense? The MiG-29 is incredibly mediocre as is and would become straight garbage with your changes.
Irrelevant.
No… you literally never get details right?
no it didnt
Why are you still engaging with alvis, he changes his opinion to be the opposite of yours during debates because he intentionally and solely wants to be a contrarian. That is hobby. He will say one thing one day then the next day say the complete opposite because the guy he’s talking to had a new opinion.
Why? This seems like people dumbing down the mechanics.
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Gotta learn how to fly the plane first before having to also take fuel management into account
but you said its default duel practice period
It’s just what people do. I mean, the whole duel custom match setup is already dumbed down since you start with an airspawn facing the enemy with similar relative fuel load.
Most people play duels on unlimited fuel. But naturally, it won’t fully translate to the usual outcomes in a normal match. I don’t think it needs a justification, you do whatever you want since its a custom match I guess?
Pretty much more ammunition for me to continue to disregard duel meta or duel topics in general when talking about air rb tbh
Yes, you might disregard such comparisons, in many cases it won’t result in different outcomes, but for example:
Mig-29 vs F-14 - Mig29 has a slight advantage on unlimited fuel, and more advantage on limited fuel.
F-14 vs J7E - Fight can keep up forever if both play to their strenghts with unlimited fuel, on limited fuel the J7E will probably win most times
Never said that
Well at least thats what I intrepreted
no it isnt default neither for the sim community nor the rb dueling community
(i would say that willy isnt using unlimited fuel, it isnt the norm)
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its wrong below 450 too
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Maybe so.
The issue is I won’t say anything about that because the anti-FOD device is normally closed and the source does not say whether it’s open or closed for that thrust curve.
Without more information, I won’t be secure in a conclusion for low speed.
Don’t know how you can interpret that but ok 👍
Because you commented after HighRisk and I thought you were him
name a 4th gen at 12.7 or higher (or lower, i dont care) that doesnt beat a mig-29 in a turnfight.
F18, F14, F16, F15 - quite frankly there is not a single US jet at that BR range that doesnt outturn it (except maybe the harrier lmao)
have you even read the original message you replied to?
IRL the testfights between the 29G and F16C show that the 29 outturns and outaccelerates the F16C - in warthunder it does neither.
Maybe it outaccelerates the ADF, but the turning part is even less close then on the F16s
this is only true for the F16A and ADF, the C has essentially the same time to speeds as the MiG29.
and even the ADF outaccelerates it when both aircraft maneuver at all, wich would happen quite often in fights
you are starting to argue game balance, and not real life performance.
irl the 29G (a MiG29 model with less thrust than the original) outturned and outaccelerated the F16C, in warthunder it can do neither of those.
The flight model is not accurate - idgaf if its “balanced” (if you call abysmal K/Ds and ingame performance as balanced)
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its obviously open
the anti-FOD device (ADV29) in warthunder is modelled completly wrong.
Irl there are INSANELY thight restrictions on the ramps to reduce the risks of engine stalls - wich could lead to permanent damage to the engines.
as written on page 38 of the 29G manual - the intakes only close below ~200km/h (108kn) and ONLY when the gear is deployed
These thrust charts represent the maximum possible thrust under standard atmospheric pressure and with all general intake losses accounted for - but its not a takeoff thrust chart.
Edit: if I havent made completly clear why this is wrong - in Warthunder its possible to close the ADV-29 system midflight during a stall, wich under the handbook given conditions should be impossible. additionally the ADV-29 doesnt affect the 29s thrust at all in warthunder, as gaijin doesnt model such complicated systems with attention to detail
The thrust ingame is the LPM thrust, while the graph ive shown you is the NPM thrust (found on page 19)
the 29G always operated under LPM (wich result in a dynamic thrust of ~6700kgf when accounting for intake losses - matching up with the ingame thrust of 6820kgf)
in NPM the thrust given by the engines shoudl be somewhere in the 7500-7800kgf area on all airframes (except the 29G) if you account for the general intake losses that the RD-33 would experience in the 29 engine mount
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You just named 2 of them right there yourself… If you don’t have experience with US jets, take a look on the statshark turn performance graphs of The F-14 or F-18 vs the mig-29.
We’re talking about in-game performance here. IRL tests have no bearing on this discussion since warthunder isn’t real life or very realistic at all… At most is a simcade game.
Yes. Like I said, they have different strenghts and weaknesses. Point is both are good 12.7s
The C isn’t 12.7 is it?
All I do is argue game balance, highly relevant to the topic and your comment too since you were complaining and exaggerating about the Mig-29 being such a bad FM in-game. I’m arguing that it’s not the case at all.
I don’t have a problem in buffing the mig-29 in whichever way makes it more realistic, if that’s the case. As long as it gets properly balanced afterwards. I fly the mig-29 too, but I’m not in favour of making game balance worse for others.
But I don’t view balance or performance by looking at average player results. I talk about my own experience which will probably be different from your average player.
Balancing by statistics is what makes many vehicles in TT like france or italy over BR’d
Fa18 is definitely better than mig 29 in a dogfight, but overall flight model id rather be in the 29, 18 too slow
Alright, back to the more fun topic.
If that document is unrestricted and true, I appreciate the knowledge.
My own English documents haven’t supplied that for me.
Could I get the document name itself?