It’s about this time this travesty is corrected.
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thats why i made this thread
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Why would I fly the F-18A when it’ll become 12.7 any day when I could fly Mig-29 at 12.3 instead?
2x R-27Rs and 4x R-60Ms which serve better at 12.3 than they do at 12.7.
And of course flight performance being incorrect is no justification for BR change.
Especially with F-4J at 12.0 with marginally worse IR missiles and largely equivalent radar missiles on a worse platform with a worse radar.
F-16A cannot BVR at all.
Actions have consequences, and the consequences of >/=6x AIM-9M, R-73, etc on F-16, Mig-29, Mirage 4000, is BR 13.0.
There is not a single gen 4 fighter/interceptor using 6x IRCCM missiles below BR 13.0.
And the gen 4 fighters using 4 or more IRCCM missiles with 4 or more SARH missiles are under-BR’d.
Mig-29 on 100% fuel, Mirage 4000 on 60%.
@tokerstar
The engine thrust curve was never nerfed, and the drag was already corrected recently which is why it got a “buff” to flight performance.
The engine thrust curve needs fixing, and if the drag is incorrect then it’ll show with the correct thrust curve.
I’m already permanently retiring F-16A ADFs from random battles because of the AIM-120s being added to them.
I am tired of the first aircraft being carried by missiles instead of having a chance to have their airframes shine.
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Statshark is overestimating the Mig29 fm
Watch from the timestamp
Also your chart shows that the M4k has way better bleed rates than the Mig29 meaning it trades in energy way better than it
I would take the M4k any day over the Mig29 in a dogfight
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Yeah looking at the 29 fm on star shark you would think it would lose slightly to the blk 15, but in reality it gets fried by the blk 15
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it gets fried by nearly everything. Putting it even close to a block 15 is a fantasy
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I mean on statshark it looks like the 2 it would be close. But in reality it gets cooked by it, I’m agreeing with you
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donutwithmustache reference?
You can say that 2 is not equal to 3, and you’d be correct — but that still doesn’t make 2 equal to 4.
In the same way, your claim that the thrust is only wrong between 450–600 km/h isn’t accurate.
The thrust curve only matches the charts within a small range (about 1000–1200 km/h). Outside of that, it’s incorrect — below 1000 km/h it underperforms, and above 1200 km/h it overperforms.
your overall statement is correct, but the range you’ve given is not true
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I’m pretty sure I’m one of the people who has spent the most time dueling in the MiG-29, and no, it’s not underestimated.
The only thing it does reasonably well in-game is rate fighting — but if you try to go aggressive with the MiG-29, you just end up bleeding position and energy almost instantly.
Even then, its rate fighting is only average at best, and its turn fighting is practically useless.
This is completely different from real-life reports, where the MiG-29 was known to excel at turn fighting — especially when matched against F-16s (wich absolutely molest the 29 in Warthunder)
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wrong
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Exactly, to 650+, meaning that speed and more.
Which documents prove.
There was a linguistic error initially that caused confusion, but it was corrected once I noticed the error.
stop lying thats not what you orignially said
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After careful thought, I think it’s best if it stays the way it is while working on improving the flight model. R73 are not great in a BVR br.
and the Mig-29 is not supposed to have the capebilities to do BVR
the r-27r and r-73 are good enough of a combo to defend yourself in BVR but not to actively engage in it, as it should be, the Migs strenght should lie in WVR and not BVR
it is awfully missrepresented in War Thunder
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Well due to the matchmaking, I’d say it would be a big nerf if it was made to fight planes that have well over 4-6 SARH missiles fired at you at 8km or more.
it wouldnt really be a nerf, you would have to adjust your playstyle tho
even currently you only have 2 radar missiles and if you fail to kill your enemy at range with them you will be dead in the water once they get close because you are outclassed in WVR against pretty much any other jet
the r-27r and r-73 would be a way more balanced loadout where you lose some BVR performance but you will be competitive in WVR and average in BVR
sure the r-27r would be a downgrade from the r-27er but that will only make you lose early game precence (in rb), which you already dont have too much of with the Mig-29
and the lackluster avionics dont really help with BVR either
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Do you record any duel gameplay by any chance? I’m curious to see how you go about it if that’s the case.
That’s applied to everything. If you go about turning full aggressive outside of certain circumstances, you are already making mistakes.
Now it’s average at best? Which is which?
Compared to what? It’s quite decent when compared to its competition, gets outclassed by F-16s but still good for 12.7
That’s a bit biased. F-16 ADF can only reliably kill the MiG-29 if it decides to commit in a dogfight. A SARH joust is completely in the mig-29 favour, so is altitude because of it. Also, you can easily outaccelerate and outrun the F-16s in a straight line. F-16 ADF enjoys a better FM, Mig-29 enjoys a better loadout.
Both have pros and cons and both are decently balanced at 12.7 (compression issues apart)
He’s the guy that invented merf rating, it’s something fairly well known in the sim community. There’s probably a simplysinful (good sim dueler) vid on him. basically he rate fights at mach jesus and forces everyone to run unlimited fuel
Never heard of that term. Merf rating doesn’t come up on google or the forum search. What does that mean?
Also, do you remember the video title or anything related to that video? I don’t know that youtube channel and there’s nothing with merf on the video titles.
Are you talking about using/abusing trim controls? What do you mean by forces everyone to run unlimited fuel? That’s just a custom lobby setting