it cant it is literally the worst flight model for a 4th gen and only able to win against a competend pilot if he is in something like a phantom or a tornado
great joke it isnt, like i said above it has the worst dogfighting performance out of any 4th gen
M2K at 12.7 with R530D and Magic 2 and the R530D, that has way better kinematics than the r-27r
or the Mig-21 bison at 12.3 with the r-73 and r-27r + HMS, which is also a supersonic platform
or the Mirage F1C at 12.0
Cool. But it still fights 12.0 and other stuff.
Which are… exactly like phantom and tornado which youre mentioned.
With way less of them, right…
Aswell, 530d arent better than 27R overall. Maybe at level.
Both gonna be way worser platforms than 29G with R-73.
so does the M2K, F-18A or the F-16A at lower BRs with way better flight performance at 12.3
they carry the same ammount of radar missiles
with the M2K having way better avionics, flight perfomance and more CMs and a MAW
what it dosent have in missiles it has in flight performance and general avionics
thats why iam not saying that a mig-29 with r-27r and r-73 should be 12.0 or 12.3 as it already has an equal at 12.7
Iv read all this thread and conclude the mig29 cant be saved unless the nerfs are reverted. Look.at how fun it used to be
even with the nerfed flight model, which gaijin seemingly dosent want to fix and is ignoring promarz sources on
a historical loadout is pretty much its only chance to not become completly irrelevant
Moving it to 13.0 will make it even more irrelevant and I’ll be way too similar to the 29G, there’s no easy way out.
Gain rate with flaps lol that mig 29 fm was fantasy. But it had to get r27ers after all, the f16 adf was beating it badly in terms of stats
where did i said that it should be 13.0?
as it currently stands the 29G isnt doing great at 13.0 and a Mig-29 without the 27er will most certainly not do better
You didn’t but there’s no way Gaijin will have a MiG 29 with the same exact loadout as the G at 12.7.
the 29G will not lose the 27er
that is something that will not happen, because there would be no reason to grind the 29G if it had the same loadout as the normal 29
and that is something that gaijin will not do
I agree, as long as the MiG-29 (9.13) stays at BR 12.7. You can limit the R-73 loadout to 4x and 2x R-27R/T to ensure it’s balanced; but it wouldn’t be competitive at 13.0 BR (which often gets up-tiered and faces Fox 3s) with just R-27Rs. The R-73 isn’t that great; the R-27ER is the more meta missile.
The Mirage 2000CS4 is at BR 12.3 with 2x IRCCM Magic 2s and 2x Super 530Ds (comparable to the R-27R), so the MiG-29 9.13 at 12.7 with two extra IRCCM missiles and HMD is fine.
The MiG-29M (9.15) should be added to BR 13.7 as a new tech tree vehicle succeeding the MiG-29SMT (at BR 13.3) as a direct counterpart to the J-10A at the same BR: up to 8x R-77s (or 4x R-27ER/ET + 4x R-73 / R-77).
The Soviet MiG-29 tree would look like this:
MiG-29 (9.13) → BR 12.7
MiG-29SMT → BR 13.3
MiG-29M (9.15) → BR 13.7
also with the upcomig BR changes the dynamic might drastically change once there are the F-16s at 13.3 with the AMRAAM so i would assume that the 12.7 planes will get lots of 13.3 uptiers
also on the topic of the upcoming BR changes, they will make the Mig-29s with the r-60 completly irrelevant in Simulator due to the bracket system, so they will always have to fight 13.0 or 13.3 aircraft like the F-2A, the F-15A or any of the 13.0 Fox-3 slingers
I hope not
Theres very few straight up fun planes throughout the full game. 3 are already being removed
If what your saying is true then my favorite F14a is also dead because of garbage level 13.3 F16s
Whens arma 4 dropping again😂
okay sure do R27R + R73 but give it pre-nerf flight performance too
not neccessarily pre buff flight model
but atleast accept the primary documents that gaijin has been actively denying ever since they nerfed the mig-29 and model the mig-29 after that
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/u5jkZGHW5Rg4
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/2SvPmiiBjK5j
yep gaijin just keeps denying and then forgetting about every incorrect stat
yes, but i personally dont want to advocate for the pre nerf flight model, because i dont know how correct it actually was, i rather have them buff it to what the sources say
even if the pre-nerf model wasn’t perfect it might’ve been closer to what the sources suggest than what we have now but yea ideally i would be happy if they’d buff it to match the references directly
M29G have 27Er and R73.But M29G in 13.0. I don’t want my
M29(early) go to 13.0 ,it is already 12.7 now . If its mount is changed , it will reach 13.0 or even higher .
it will lose the 27er
so the IR missiles will be buffed and the radar missiles will be nerfed
so it will be worse than the Mig-29G