[Poll] Remove the R-27ER from the early Mig-29 variants

this is not a world defined rule

if first turn performance is the main priority of the test it is reasonable to allow first turn shots (there are several ways to avoid getting hit first turn)

(some people (including me) also prefer first turn shots since it doesnt give a safe space from the get go. in a real match you would shoot first turn too )

True, but even then it’s going to be such a marginal difference that it’ll be mutal kills every time.

the goal of that is to shift the fight more defensive

there are ways to avoid getting shot in the first turn

Also, you keep saying I’m arguing in bad faith… You are the one pushing for unbalanced jets at 12.7. You might argue that it would be ok for sim, but for airRB, delusional.

Like you, I enjoy the mig-29 series, but I am not biased.
I enjoy the ayit and I complained a lot on the forum about how unbalanced it is.

I am not against the proposed changes, I’m against placing it at 12.7 and ruinning the game for others.

You couldn’t counter the argument with the Belgian F-16A being a worse jet/loadout at 13.0 already.

And then started going about how bad the radar is while purposely ignoring its other advantages over the competition at 12.7

devs say that that isn’t installed thrust (even though in the manual it says that) and has been bug reported alrdy many times

look

I prefer to not go of player stats, since its pretty individualistic.
But not even the 29G is doing particularly good at 13.0, a ERless 29A would absolutely suffer at 13.0.

We sim players dont even care about the BR, the new brackets always put 13…0 and 12.7 in the same lobbies regardless.

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By above takeoff flaps, I mean, raised>combat>takeoff>landing. Maybe I wasn’t clear. But I meant that deploying landing flaps is not recommended because of how much speed they make you bleed over takeoff with no real advantage on rate, you might tighten the turn but you will rate slower.

I only use that if I am already behind someone and can’t quite pull in. But I would not recommend to do it outside of that.

You want to test that?

You don’t shoot if both planes point at each other, but F-14A will still have positional advantage on the 2nd merge simply because it sustains more speed on unsustained turns.

The differences aren’t huge, if both engage on a rate fight both will run out of fuel, the B will be the 1st.

these are the thrust charts in the NPM (normal power mode)

The engines in warthunder operate under the LPM (low power mode)
This has been confirmed by the devs

the 29G actually operated in the mode, so the 29G is accurate.
But all other 29s should get the NPM, since that was the mode used during wartimes

(also the russian ones dont even have a LPM mode lmao)

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I am an ok player, and I have more reliable results with the 12.7 F-16AJ or mig29 on 13.7 uptiers than the Belgian F-16A. That thing can’t go to 12.7 because it has 6 Aim9Ms. And a mig29A with R-73 AND R-27R couldn’t possibly be worse than the belgian F-16A.

I don’t want either at 12.7 running the matchmaker below them.

I want BR decompression to avoid situations like those

It’s simple.

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were the charts for sustained turn rates, gain rates etc all made with the lpm enabled?

id guess so, idk

the 29 handbook doesnt have turncharts in the usual way but SEP and max sustainable G charts wich makes calculating to true turncharts really tricky

Glad that they didn’t model horrible TF30s compressor stalls.

Once the engine flames out, you will have to set the throttle to idle once.

A is faster at higher altitudes but the TF-30s were a reliablity nightmare.

They should fix the Russian radars, but mig 29 with R 73 would be too powerful at even 12.7.

R-27ER is just balanced. Its powerful SARH but limited amount.

Gen 4 IRCCM is for 13.0+.

wym by fix the russian radars

there is nothing to fix they just were that bad and there is nothing to change for the Mig-29 radar wise,
the Su-27 on the other hand hat DL to compensate for the bad radar tho

Magic 2 at 12.0 on the Mirage F1
Magic 2 at 12.3 on the M2K
r-73 + HMS at 12.3 on the Mig-21 Bison
Magic 2 at 12.7 on the M2K

and those are only the fighters, as it wouldnt be that fair to compare a fighter to an attacker

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They struggle to lock anything. Their tracking is okay, but you have to attempt multiple times to get a lock.

Don’t get me started on the awful tall ACM box (I know this isn’t a bug)

pro tip:

switch to IRST to get an ACM lock and then switch to radar to achive a much faster lock

honestly, just limit the mig29 at 4x r73, dont even give it r27r and put it at 12.7
its fm is bad and rwr is mid compared to other 13.0

MIG 29 12.7 needs a buff… what do ya mean make it even worse lol

Theres not 1 reason id take it over the F14: 4 x fox 3, 2x fox 1 and 2x fox 2

MIG29 has 2 good missiles and thats it. Su27 owns it all day for+ 0.3BR.

MIG 29 needs R27Ers and 2x 27ETs at 12.7 or pimp.it to.13.0 and give it r73s.

Why woukd anyone pick it.over a flanker?