Well done. You managed to read.
The 9m in that situation is easy to flare, and its not the best situation for it. Side aspect is.
R-73 and 9M have similar range and both are slow IR missiles. That’s why many prefer magic 2s/pl5eII over the R-73
Wrong. I already told you it works much worse at rear aspect compared to gatewidth IRCCM on relevant distances
You never played the thing… And it being a 13.0 gets no different treatment than all the other 13.0s. Many 14.0-13.7 uptiers.
you said the r-73 akes the 29G 13.0
so why isnt the bison 13.0 simple question
Mig-21 is not a Mig-29 nor does it have 6x R-73s.
When Mig-21 suddenly becomes a Mig-29 and has 6x R-73s it can be 13.0. Until then it’s vastly inferior.
Anyone comparing Mig-21 to Mig-29 are living in a fantasy world.
And I see @Merf_HD is flat out lying:
You guys are either trolling or naive. It’s very obvious he is talking about the belgian F-16A that was already mentioned many times here.
I think you’re confusing it with the r24t which has the best range band values for a non irccm missile.
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r60m
theyre both equally sensitive in terms of ratio to flares and rear aspect engines
Why is the F-111C 11.7 and the US F-16A 12.3? Take a wild guess.
ok then let me list all planes that would be significantly better than the 29A with R73 and without ER that are either 13.0 or even lower
F15A, AV8B Plus, F14B ,F18C , F4F KMS LV, SU-27, SU-33, MiG-29G, Gripen, F15J, F2A, J8F, M2K CS5, M4K, F14 IRAN, F16A (belgium), BAZ
because of the brainlets flying them
Thanks for clearing that up.
Anyway. My point is that both have bad flare resistance. R60m gives less reaction time. Which I prefer because the enemy has less chance to flare on time or even notice the missile.
F-14B, AV-8B are inferior.
F-18C is on-par only because of flight performance but has worse weapons.
Gripen, Mirage 4000, and F-16A are on-par.
Mirage 2000 CS5 is inferior due to weapons limitations.
F-14A is obviously inferior.
Mig-29G is literally the same exact aircraft.
whats with the insults lol
yeah the F16A bl15 is 13.0, but you never specified so.
your point still makes 0 sense, the F16A (Belgium) has like 6x more countermeasures than the 29, also has IRCCM missiles and a Flight performance dimensions above the 29s
not even beginning to talk about the Radar and RWR wich are miles better.
if you actually believe a 29 with R73 but no ER should be the same BR as this - sorry but you got some serious fucking problems with estimating what makes an aircraft good.
every 13.0 with a better KD with the Mig-29G:
so if the r-73 is that OP why is the Mig-29 doing so bad even worse than planes that only have access to the 9m
and the Ja-37DI n both the premium and tech tree version are doing better than the Mig-29G
the early belgian one has the same cms if you dont take the flare pods, to take the pods you need to give up missiles. Although the f-16as are single pop which means they essentially get double the cms.
Both have 6x Aim9L loadout for Air-Air. But theres a major difference between the FMs. That’s why the F-16A sits higher in BR.
One day, you might also realize that the mig-21 FM is not comparable to a mig-29.
F14B and AV8B both have Fox-3s, an ER-less mig-29 has no way to win a BVR fight against those
the F18C would also blow a 13.0 ERless mig-29 out the water due to better acceleration, better Flight performance, more missles and more countermeasures. (and better BVR missiles)
M2k still has better flight performance, but Ig you could make a point that an ERless 29 would be somewhat equal
F14A Iran only got the Fakour wich even outperforms the ER - yeah its totally worse and not uncounterable for an ERless mig-29 in BVR at all
THINK BRO, THINK
@Merf_HD
F-14B does not have AMRAAMs, its AIM-7Fs are a superior platform than the AIM-54s.
And AV-8B+ is a chronically subsonic plane that can’t even dogfight most things, which dogfighting still does not matter much in air RB.
The F-16A Belgium has 60 flares, 60 is not 6x more than 60.
If you bring a loadout equal to Mig-21Bison the F-16A has more countermeasures, but you’re worse as a fighter due to it.
Mig-29 makes up for slightly worse flight performance with significantly more speed.
F-15E makes up for being trash at dogfighting by being faster than F-15C, should it be 13.3 because it’s worse than F-15C at dogfighting?
Or can you admit dogfighting performance =/= meta for air RB?
@ron_23 Citing player skill won’t change cross analysis.
we had that disscussion yesterday and you resorted to telling me i have a skill issue as you couldnt come up with proper counterarguments
so let me ask you why should the mig-29g be at the same br as the su27 when using that same logic
and even then
Still half the BR is better than a ERless MiG-29 with R73
Sorry, but even many 12.7 would probably beat a 29A with R73
then you dont know how BR changes work and should just stop it
or does the camo changes the planes capebilities?