whats with the insults lol
yeah the F16A bl15 is 13.0, but you never specified so.
your point still makes 0 sense, the F16A (Belgium) has like 6x more countermeasures than the 29, also has IRCCM missiles and a Flight performance dimensions above the 29s
not even beginning to talk about the Radar and RWR wich are miles better.
if you actually believe a 29 with R73 but no ER should be the same BR as this - sorry but you got some serious fucking problems with estimating what makes an aircraft good.
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every 13.0 with a better KD with the Mig-29G:
so if the r-73 is that OP why is the Mig-29 doing so bad even worse than planes that only have access to the 9m
and the Ja-37DI n both the premium and tech tree version are doing better than the Mig-29G
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the early belgian one has the same cms if you dont take the flare pods, to take the pods you need to give up missiles. Although the f-16as are single pop which means they essentially get double the cms.
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Both have 6x Aim9L loadout for Air-Air. But theres a major difference between the FMs. That’s why the F-16A sits higher in BR.
One day, you might also realize that the mig-21 FM is not comparable to a mig-29.
F14B and AV8B both have Fox-3s, an ER-less mig-29 has no way to win a BVR fight against those
the F18C would also blow a 13.0 ERless mig-29 out the water due to better acceleration, better Flight performance, more missles and more countermeasures. (and better BVR missiles)
M2k still has better flight performance, but Ig you could make a point that an ERless 29 would be somewhat equal
F14A Iran only got the Fakour wich even outperforms the ER - yeah its totally worse and not uncounterable for an ERless mig-29 in BVR at all
THINK BRO, THINK
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@Merf_HD
F-14B does not have AMRAAMs, its AIM-7Fs are a superior platform than the AIM-54s.
And AV-8B+ is a chronically subsonic plane that can’t even dogfight most things, which dogfighting still does not matter much in air RB.
The F-16A Belgium has 60 flares, 60 is not 6x more than 60.
If you bring a loadout equal to Mig-21Bison the F-16A has more countermeasures, but you’re worse as a fighter due to it.
Mig-29 makes up for slightly worse flight performance with significantly more speed.
F-15E makes up for being trash at dogfighting by being faster than F-15C, should it be 13.3 because it’s worse than F-15C at dogfighting?
Or can you admit dogfighting performance =/= meta for air RB?
@ron_23 Citing player skill won’t change cross analysis.
we had that disscussion yesterday and you resorted to telling me i have a skill issue as you couldnt come up with proper counterarguments
so let me ask you why should the mig-29g be at the same br as the su27 when using that same logic
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and even then
Still half the BR is better than a ERless MiG-29 with R73
Sorry, but even many 12.7 would probably beat a 29A with R73
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then you dont know how BR changes work and should just stop it
or does the camo changes the planes capebilities?
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R-73 is OP when paired to a good platform like the mig29 at 12.7
Never said it was OP at 13.0, the most compressed BR in game.
You have IRCCM R-73 at 12.3 in the bison which also carries R-27R
You have IRCCM aim-9m at 12.3 in the GR.7
The bison is undertiered
The gr.7 is a slow jet without radar and no way to slave the missiles. Good dogfighter though, but sadly the game forces you to bring way to much fuel for your average match.
You won’t have any 2+ IRCCM missile loadout on a good and fast FM under 13.0 right now.
I wish Gaijin decompressed things so we could properly place the proposed mig29a loadout and also balance things like the Belgian F-16A
you might as well tell me that you never played the mig-29
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AV8B+ is so slow that its aim-120s are about as dangerous as your average SARH
And the Mig-29A eats F-14B for breakfast in BVR or WVR
he has like 400 kills in it i think he’s pretty experienced in it. The mig29 fm for an average arb match is fine, it just zooms around the battle field slinging ers and going for kills around mach 1. Only in a 1v1 is where it falls off which isn’t arb
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I dont believe so, I prefer the aim-54, im not commenting further on this
like you said, dogfighting doesnt matter.
And what does speed even do? speed only matters for BVR engagements - something an ERless mig-29 would be unable to do
Even the 29G (with ER and R73) struggles against the AV8, so how should one without ER compete in any way
ok, bring 1x Pylon of CMs
now you got 5x 9Ms and 150 single pop CMs (75 if you go 50/50 on flare/chaff)
meanwhile the 29 has 6x R73 and 30x pops of CMs (15x if you go 50/50 on flare/chaff)
Still dont see how thats fair
SPEED ONLY MATTERS IN BVR
A ER-LESS 29 DOESNT BENEFIT FROM SPEED IN ANY WAY AT THESE BRs
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you tell me that the 9m is such a bad missile and yet i see multiple platforms at 13.0 doing way better than the mig-29g which gets 6x r73 while the gripen only gets 6x 9m
so the mig-29g with the r-27er is already doing worse than alot of the 13.0s you said would do worse than a mig-29 with r-73s and yet you cant come to the conclusion that a mig-29g with worse armament might could be fine at 12.7
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I have 800 kills with it and have been playing the 29 since the 29G dropped
Its my main aircraft
And I see 2x specific people in this threat (that im not gonna name) who dont seem to understand this aircraft at all
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I’m sorry but this time Alvis is right ahahah. Aim7F is much more useful on average. (than phoenixes)
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you also completly fail to acknoledge any kind of avionics at all
The fact that the 29s use the SPO-15 and N019 wich are amongst the worst avionics even to lower BRs (12.0) just doesnt matter AT ALL to you?
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Tell me exactly where I said that. I’ll wait.
I just explained the differences between it and your average gatewidth missile.