That’s true. Anyway, I think ACLOS* should be added, especially at top tier, since the reticle doesn’t allow for aiming at fast moving targets (to the side) easily
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+1 for a proper ACLOS guidance mode
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Hopefully if this gains enough traction, the devs will consider it.
On the topic of ACLOS, it would be nice to also have it for gun SPAA aswell, at least top tier ones (the M163 too, with how unreliable its radar is, you’ll probably be better off just eyeballing it and the automatic lead would just be a gimmick)
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I think the VADS should stay without because of its low BR placement. But a better radar system could be a similar gun at a higher BR
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Getting a radar lock with the VADS is already extremely difficult so it could be a fair tradeoff between trying to get a lock for multiple seconds or just eyeballing it
The problem I see is, the VADs is low in the BR because it’s a low caliber and relatively less effective gun than the Gerard/Marksmans that come in at 8.3.
If they fix the radar, it’s likely to drive the BR up
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That’s a good thing honestly, it should be 7.7 minimum with that 20mm
I disagree. It should be 7.0. Most of the SPAA systems in the game are overtiered
Outside of a few systems like the Strela, or Pantsir.
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I respectfully disagree. The M163 was fine at 7.7 but most other modern SPAA are either at a perfect BR or at too low of a BR, especially some of the stinger slingers ever since the stinger rework. They are only limited by their ammo count since you need to fire more than one stinger to kill a plane, one to get them to maneuver and lose speed and a second one to actually kill them.
I wont touch the topic of helis vs spaa though
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This thing + Barak-1 missiles is just the HVSD/ADAMS, perfect top tier SPAA for US and Israel
I can’t agree with that assessment. I daily watch SU’s defending against stingers without doing anything more than rolling and releasing a pair of flares.
Guessing you spend a lot more time in planes than you do SPAA’s?
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I’d say equal time in planes-spaa in ground RB. Maybe slightly more in planes but I do enjoy my SPAA.
I don’t believe either is sufficient for top tier. But I think both are good options.
SLAMRAAM / Modernized M6 Line backer (hell the original too) or NASAMS would be good
The you are are singular SPAA player I’ve ever heard espouse the view that most of the SPAAs are ok or even hint that they’re under tiered.
Strela, 2S6, Pantsir, Gepard, ITPSV are the ones i’d say are the ones that are in the biggest need of an uptier, the rest are mostly fine (as long as their bugs get fixed)
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I think it’s criminal how this machine is only 0.3 higher than the XM975/FlaRakPanzer
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The problem isn’t really with the 2S6 though. The problem is the other systems don’t deserve to be that close to it.
Yeah, I agree. That’s why chose to put my critique in relative terms with other SPAAs rather than demanding an uptier ;-)
If the 10.3 Rolands go down that would still leave a capability gap tho, I’d want something to go there and serve as 2S6 counterpart for the now very popular 10.7 lineups
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It would.
I think if the fully automatic SACLOS petition got some traction and we saw better performance from them it would probably help address said gap.
The fact that most nations have no real ability to defend from standoff weapons except for the one nation that happens to have the best SPAA coverage, the best stand off weapons and one of the best/least limited gun based SPAA’s and it happens to also be a premium light tank so no limited AP is a problem.
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I think there’s a very real issue with trying to have a comparable system at every level. They might be good 9.7’s or 10.0’s with automated guidance. Then the 2S6 at 10.7 or 11.3, but it might be 11.3 or 11.5 till the next system fits. Not always going to have a perfect fit with a unit every level.
But we shouldn’t have a massive gap in any nations capability. And there should be atleast rough parity between the ability of an SPAA and the performance of aircraft/air weapons. I would even say it would be one thing to have a small advantage at one tier (like currently happens at 8.3-8.7) if it’s balanced out at another relatively close tier.
For example a 2km distance between the best air launched weapons in a tier (let’s say 10km distance, vs 8km for multiple ground based defense systems) that would be ok as tanks can hide behind obstacles and most times you don’t find a target at the very edge of your range. But when most nations don’t have an actual effective SPAA that can engage targets beyond 5-6 KM at the same BR as Mavericks that is a problem