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Small update
I would like to inform you that the Armament Agency is currently processing the introduction of an active vehicle protection system (ASOP) to the Polish Armed Forces. For this purpose, the Armament Agency has contacted several bidders with an inquiry about the availability of ASOP systems and the delivery time and cost of installing the system on tanks and vehicles, both those already in the equipment of the Polish Armed Forces and those being implemented. Among the solutions under consideration, it is worth mentioning, among others, the TROPHY and IRON FIST systems.
So yeah we will see about that one but on table there are tanks and ifvs
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news about K2PL
The second executive agreement for the purchase of K2/K2PL tanks is currently being negotiated in terms of price, and the agreement itself is already at the stage of being reviewed by the General Prosecutor’s Office. The Secretary of State in the Ministry of National Defense, Paweł Bejda, informed about the readiness to sign the agreement by the Ministry of National Defense.
translate into human language Will we finally see the end and the signing of the largest contract this year or even in the history of Poland? Poland, as part of this agreement, will become a licensed manufacturer of K2 tanks in the PL variant (the tanks are to be manufactured at the Bumar-Łabędy plant, i.e. in the place where the PT-91 was once manufactured for the Polish army, this is a change of plans because initially the WZM company near Poznań was supposed to handle this" In short, these are another 180 tanks, some of which will still be in the GF standard and the rest in PL. It is worth recalling here that unfortunately Poland has abandoned the original concept of the K2PL with a longer hull and better armor in favor of a variant with 6 road wheels. This is explained by the fact that these tanks will be stationed on training grounds in the east of the country, where the terrain is much more demanding, although in this case I am still surprised by the purchase of Abrams in the SEPV3 version. Below is a preview photo of the “POSSIBLE” K2PL configuration, although we will probably find out everything when it is shown, as usual I will try to keep you informed about it
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Hopefully after my suffering at the univeristy is over I can take a propa ganda at what you guys have cooked here, have a good day.
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one thing thing.
1st picture PT-91 very difrent way of how ERAWA is mounted
2nd T-72M1Z modification process, notice the mountings for ERAWA
3rd PT-91 turret mounts for ERAWA
4th T-72M1Z then PT-91 and T-72M1Z’s
lastly advert from 1993 for PT-91
So in conclusioon - PT-91 and what we think is PT-91 is T-72M1Z we call it PT-91 since its easier, 2nd OG PT-91 is smoother and slightly better protected than T-72M1Z, think of it as Turms-T, T-72 with K-1 and 3rd gen thermals. So I hope we got this minor error out of the way of thinking what PT-91 and what T-72M1Z is. (maybe cuz wikipedia shows PT-91 with caption T-72M1Z lol)
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Those tanks sure look reptilian
Do you know what ERAWA-2 can protect against APFSDS?
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I read somewhere it helped deflect DM-33
+1 though id like to see more spaa on the higher tiers as the OSA isnt too too great at top tier.
This
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Hell yeah just like that :D
source: Polish Explosive reactive armor: ERAWA-1 and ERAWA-2
for me is just K-5 with less Kinetic protection
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my university ends in 3 days so i will be able to cook something too
With new spaa system in warthunder i will be able to add some nice stuff
With new advanced AA systems in the game, I think It’s time to show what we got and fill the proposed tech tree.
1. Wisła Air Defense System
(Probably too advanced for the game right now but who cares)
Overview:
The Wisła system is the backbone of Poland’s long-range air and missile defense. It is based on the combat-proven American Patriot PAC-3 MSE system and is part of Poland’s effort to build a multi-layered, integrated air defense network. The Wisła program represents Poland’s largest-ever defense procurement and significantly enhances Poland’s capability to defend against tactical ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, aircraft, and other advanced aerial threats. Wisła is interoperable with NATO systems and will be fully integrated via the IBCS (Integrated Battle Command System), enabling network-centric warfare with seamless data exchange among various sensors and shooters across different military branches and allied forces.
Components:
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MIM-104 Patriot PAC-3 MSE interceptors
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IBCS (Integrated Air and Missile Defense Battle Command System)
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AN/MPQ‑65 and LTAMDS „GhostEye” radars (in future phases)
Capabilities:
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Intercept tactical ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and aircraft
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Range: ~100+ km
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Altitude: up to 24 km
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Network-centric, interoperable with NATO systems
Phases:
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Phase I: 2 batteries (2023-2024)
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Phase II: 6 batteries ordered (production ongoing)
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Full system with IBCS integration by ~2027
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Total of 8 batteries planned
Budget:
Approx. $4.75 billion for Phase I; Phase II expected to cost over $10 billion in total.
2. Narew
Overview:
The Narew system is Poland’s indigenously developed, medium-range air defense system designed to fill the gap between the long-range Wisła system and the short-range Pilica and VSHORAD systems. It is a critical part of Poland’s multi-layered air defense strategy, aimed at protecting mobile military units, strategic infrastructure, and population centers from aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles, and UAVs. Narew prioritizes modularity, high mobility, and domestic industrial participation. The system is being developed in partnership with MBDA, utilizing CAMM and CAMM-ER missiles with plans for full Polish radar, command, and launcher integration. Narew is expected to become the most numerous air defense system in the Polish Armed Forces.
Components:
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CAMM/CAMM-ER interceptors (from MBDA)
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Polish Jelcz launchers
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Polish radars (e.g. Sajna, Bystra)
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Integrated via the IBCS system in future
Capabilities:
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Range: ~25-50 km (depending on missile variant)
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Altitude: up to 10-20 km
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High mobility and networked fire control
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Rapid engagement of multiple aerial threats
Phases:
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Initial “Mała Narew” delivered in 2022-2023 (interim solution)
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Full Narew production with Polish industry involvement until ~2035
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Over 20 fire units planned
Budget:
Expected total cost: ~ PLN 60 billion (~ $15 billion)
More detailed info: Jelcz P882.57 T21 TS DOW, Mała Narew
3. Pilica / Pilica+
Overview:
Pilica is Poland’s very short-range air defense (VSHORAD) system designed to provide point defense for key infrastructure, airfields, and military units against low-flying threats such as UAVs, helicopters, and cruise missiles. The system combines autonomous optical tracking, 23 mm twin anti-aircraft cannons, and short-range MANPADS (Grom/Piorun) on mobile platforms. Pilica is capable of operating independently or as part of a broader, networked defense architecture. The enhanced version, Pilica+, will significantly expand its capabilities by integrating CAMM missiles for extended range and IBCS connectivity, allowing Pilica+ to cooperate directly with higher-tier systems like Narew and Wisła, effectively forming the lower layer of the national air defense shield.**
Components:
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23 mm twin anti-aircraft cannons
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Grom or Piorun MANPADS launchers
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Polish radar stations (e.g. Soła)
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Pilica+ will integrate CAMM missiles and connect to IBCS
Capabilities:
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Range: 5-6 km (guns), 6.5 km (missiles), up to ~25 km (Pilica+)
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Defends against aircraft, UAVs, cruise missiles
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Automatic tracking and engagement
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Modular, can be deployed quickly
Phases:
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Pilica deliveries started in 2022
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Pilica+ contract signed in 2023; delivery by ~2025-2026
Budget:
Pilica: PLN 750 million ($180 million)
Pilica+: over PLN 5 billion (~$1.25 billion)
4. Poprad
(already suggested but I will throw it here anyway)
Overview:
Poprad is a mobile VSHORAD system providing air defense coverage for maneuvering ground forces and protecting fixed assets against low and very low-altitude threats. Mounted on 4x4 wheeled platforms (such as AMZ Żubr or Jelcz trucks), Poprad systems are equipped with electro-optical sensors, an automated fire control system, and a quad launcher for Grom or Piorun missiles. Poprad can operate autonomously using its own sensors or as part of a larger air defense network, receiving target data from higher-echelon radars and command posts. The system is fully adapted to modern battlefield requirements, offering fast deployment, high mobility, and quick reaction to threats such as helicopters, low-flying aircraft, and drones. It is now widely deployed across Polish brigades.
Components:
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Grom/Piorun missiles (quad launcher)
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Electro-optical targeting system
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Mounted on 4x4 vehicles (AMZ Żubr or Jelcz)
Capabilities:
Range: 6.5 km
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Altitude: up to 4 km
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Autonomous or networked operation
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Rapid response to low-altitude threats
Phases:
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Deliveries completed by 2023 (77 units)
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Fully operational across Polish brigades
Budget:
Approx. PLN 1.1 billion (~$275 million) for full procurement
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And here’s little suprise from the Paris Air Show 2025. F-15EX proposal from Boeing to Polish Air Force. Feels kinda late to post this but I forgot
I love giving my tax money for more import vehicles that we definitly can fill them with.
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As I was digint through the internet to find pictures for my TT I found this: The Dead District: საბჭოთა БМП-ეების პოლონური მოდერნიზაცია – BWP-95, BWP-2000, BWP-40 და სხვები
You never know what you can find at 3am on the internet in the depths of 2nd page of Google
So Im in a little pickle:
1st. there’s a big Gap between 6.0 and 8.0 beacsue there’s T-34-85M2 and nothing else till 8.0 when T-55U apears - question is, should I add IS-2 and IS-3 to fill the gap
2nd gap between Ryś E8 at 8.7 and SKOT-2AM at 6.7, and I want to add Żbik-B with 9K111 at 8.0 or 8.3 so the gap won’t be that big on one hand Żbik-B is modified BRDM with .50cal istead of 14.5mm and better engine on other it has 400mm of pen with that 9K111 missle and is fast and small
3rd thing Im gathering people who have made other Polish/Polish-czech/ anything Polish TT related, on DC, I come to the conclusion that best way to gather information and opinions from people who worked on it previously is on DC. For now in my DM’s but if there is enough people I will make server for it.
my DC nickname is: erce
Or maybe there’s alredy server for it idk, if there is I would like to be invited to it.
Never then less, for me it would be easier to make next video in polish and english, beacsue I’m not alfa and omega, I don’t know much about aircraft besides how they fly (lol).
yes
Don’t forget the 9P133 Malutka-P
I also have some more vehicles to send a jeep in mind that has malutkas and recoilless rifle, will send that tmrw though as I don’t have time to dig through my notes.
Also feel free to check out me and my teams visegrad tech tree. (A bit outdated btw)
https://visegradgroundforces.neocities.org/visegrád-ground_forces%20(24)