I mean, there is a claim of a single prototype having been completed floating around the internet, but I can’t tell what it is based on.
Gaijin obviously seems to believe that claim to be true
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Its not clear what the question is here. Ships have differing requirements to add them to the game compared to planes and tanks. Since ships typically dont have “prototypes” or experimental series vehciles we can use.
For example they just need to have been laid down, like Soyuz and HMS Lion.
I really hated when gaijin pulled out this move, what’s the point of removing cool unique vehicles to be replaced by copy paste slop from other nations, why would that be EVER a good idea, it was never made, and?i think if there is a black hole in a TT that can be filled by a much more unique and interesting vehicle even if it was never made but only conceptualized is a far better idea then just taking an american or russian sloppa tank and paste it over and over to every nation.
Gaijin just thinks of printing money over and over with sloppa premiums, copy paste vehicles and uninteresting 1960 plus and beyond garbage that shouldn’t be included in lower tiers. why can’t we just have cool things, i agree that the real counterparts should have priority but when those run out what do we do, close shop??
What’s the plan here, they keep adding new vehicles too fast, ignoring gameplay problems for DECADES. other then printing money from poeple unfortunately buying premiums what is the gameplan here, nothing interesting has been added for the gameplay no new modes, sim is completly forgotten i, ari rb is a joke, planes are either CAS nightmare in tank mode or completly garbage in air mode, im not even gonna talk about naval. i mean, it’s littearlly turning into world of tanks itll die the same way that game did if it continues like this.
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What this basically says is “we can change the rules at a whim when the money says to do so.”
Using the blueprints for the long 88 Schmalturm, yes. We know what it would look like from Doyle’s books. Literally that’s all that’s truly “wrong” with it which makes it physically impossible right now - cramming a gun into a turret that cannot fit the thing.
The KT105 has the same problem.
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soo… no turret?
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it wouldnt have had smalturm. It predates the smalturm by a an entire year, it would have a thicker normal panther style turret.
Panther with 88mm is a fake. a schmalturm is barely valid for the game considering its situation so dont expect the fake OP one that sweaty veteran players abuse to come back soon
same 7.5cm gun, same engine, only thicker armour
Source: Panther II mit 8.8 cm KwK 43 L/71 (Fake Tank) - Tank Encyclopedia
Panzerkampfwagen Panther Ausf.F (Sd.Kfz.171) - Tank Encyclopedia
if we were to get a “real” panther 2 then it wouldnt really fix any of the panthers pitfalls in game other than tanking more hull front hits, youre trading surviving 17pdr APDS for a worse HP:Ton ratio.
Honestly with how german mains are at 5.7-6.7 it may even end up the same BR as the normal panthers as it simply offers no overall benefits other than slight jumbo proofing for 12hp/ton over 15hp/ton, not to mention the turret slewing rate may be slower from the extra weight, people struggle with the panther D and VK3002 as they dont have fast turrets (even tho id say they are better than an early IS2 because of mobility and ROF)
I know about the one in the museum with a Panther G turret on top. By all means that could be a separate tank.
What I am proposing is merely taking the existing one and making it physically possible, as its already grandfathered-in and changing it that drastically would piss off a LOT of people.
The R2Y2s are just as fake but at least they are physically possible. As is the Coelian.
But the King Panther? The KT105? The Ho-Ri Production? The D.521? Those are not physically possible vehicles.
Either model it to fit the actual blueprints or give it the museum treatment and put the “wrong” turret on it
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I wasnt referring to the one with a random panther turret slapped on as how it should be added.
the actual design was quite literally just a jumbo Panther. not a mongrel of two completely seperate ideas from different periods of ww2.
changing the unobtainable one to a more realistic panther 2 would really piss off the unshowered tryhards that abuse the hell out of it sure, but i dont want the game to pander to that kind of player ever.
might as well rework it within that vehicles slot so that a really bad model is no longer wasting drive space. just like the tiger 2 remodels and changes (Tiger 2 SLA is a fake that should also be removed btw)
not really… R2Y flew as a prop plane but i dont think it had guns and the flakpanzer 341 never left wooden mockup stages.
dont tell the Imperial Japan apologists but the O-I is also an impossible vehicle, and no some random track link with no evidence of origin isnt proof.
honestly, would be an intresting “what actually happenned” comprimise, but i see it annoying literally everybody lol
I don’t care if it annoys people lol
This whole “it’s unrealistic, so we make it unobtainable” thing is just stupid.
These unrealistic vehicles should either be available to everyone or be removed entirely (or at least banned from realistic and simulator battles).
Remodeling them to be as realistic as possible and re-introducing them to the TTs would be the best solution, but as it stands Gaijin would rather continue their “just sweep it under the carpet” approach…
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It would also piss off all the other people who wanted to experience the current one but then that got stolen from them by such a change.
That is why I propose a simple remodel to make the existing gun fit the tank, using blueprints that existed even if they were made after the project was halted.
And that too is also grandfathered in at this point, plus its not even that special these days…so who cares?
I’d sooner undo the engine governor nerf on the HL230 and HL234 engine series so they go back to 700 and 900hp, respectively. Nobody asked for that one.
I know of the R2Y1 existing but that thing would be dead on arrival if it ever came. The ones already ingame are fake but they are physically possible at least.
The Coelian’s component parts were largely made and just not assembled together, and the final product was physically possible. Plus its grandfathered-in as well. I see no issue here.
That thing is too popular not to add eventually. What I meant by the Ho-Ri Production was that it was using an engine which could simply not deliver that kind of power output without incinerating itself - aircraft engines are universally de-rated when put on tanks to avoid overheating due to not moving fast through air to force cooling on their radiators.
This.
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theres WoT for those fake absurdities.
nobody whines about panthers having the HL230 having a correct output of 600hp, its only because Tiger E (not fixed btw) and tiger 2 being wrong for so many years that it became a thing to cry about.
Im glad it got fixed, tiger 2 is still the best 6.7 heavy tank by a lot.
FV215b is physically possible as it had plenty of parts built ready to be assembled, It should NEVER come to the game as there was never a completed example.
screw em, its fake. go play a game that doesnt aim for authentic vehicles if you want what is most likely a post war forgery in a tank game theres WoT.
looks at 3.7 Ram
its not the only time gaijin has shown they dont have any deep understanding of how engines and transmissions interact with each other.
if theres any 1st party info saying “yea bro its totally XYZ” even if its pretty obvious to be impossible they will just accept and implement it.
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While I’m personally fine with these vehicles being in the game, I wholly agree with you.
In a lot of cases the unrealistic vehicles could be replaced with realistic ones, so they don’t leave a hole in their respective TTs.
There also are routes that Gaijin could take to appease the people that have unlocked the unrealistic vehicles in case they get removed or replaced.
Sadly, none of this is going to happen, as the current approach is the most comfortable, low risk, low effort approach that Gaijin could choose.
if gaijin decides that they want the questionable rules for naval to apply to air and ground i would be fine with them as long as they go up to appropriate BRs.
if they got rid of this on their website ill stop banging the vehicle purist drums.
refunds. I dont really agree with getting freebies because you played the game pre 2021 tbh. Ive been playing a good few years now and I dont want reminding of that let alone special things if a fake vehicle got correctly removed.
thats the gaijin way. half baked attempts or doing the right thing the wrong way
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Soyuz being added is “more real” than XP-50 & Ho-229 being added, but that fact upsets people.
I get the Ho 229, but you’ll has to explain the problem with the XP-50 to me
“XP-50 wasn’t armed.”
I get the stress behind Germany’s many laid down ships, & Soyuz, but they’re M10 Booker equivalent additions.
In that case you can add the VDAA Santal, Sea Meteor, J7W1, SO8000, BV 238, Me 264 and Yak 141 to your list of vehicles that are “less real” than the Soyuz
There are many, much bigger offenders tho
It’s more than a blueprint, so why not add it? We have the T58 and this would be nowhere near as threatening.
I would rather undo the governor nerf on ALL of them, Tigers and Panthers alike. That change made already sluggish tanks even more so.
It would literally be a cross between a Churchill III or VII and a KV-2, functionally-speaking. Hardly game-breaking in the slightest other than being big and hard to fully kill outside ammo detonations.
Ah yes who can forget that comical situation. Surprised you don’t see more of them with that engine output.
Snail has never removed vehicles outright nor refunded people for such - the closest they came was removing a stabilizer on a premium Italian M60, pissing off a lot of people who paid for it because of said stabilizer, and deciding to never hint at doing such again.
I’m sorry man but you’re after a lost cause.