Rules for thee and not for me. No thanks. You had the chance to get them and you missed out. Saying that only you should have a second chance, while every new player should miss out on getting a first chance, is the peak of entitlement.
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Funny thing is I had the TII 105 unlocked for almost 7 years without playing it lol, and if it wasnt for the surge of people asking for them id probably never play it. Wanted to see what the fuss is about.
Just play it, it’s hella great.
Oh i did, spaded it around the time when coelian was buffed. Quite enjoyable experience i must say, but, like, KTII(H) does 90% of what KTII105 does.
In competitive terms, very little changes, I do agree. On some maps (say European Province) the extra mobility and the rangefinder can make a big difference. Other than that the better round for slower reload is a side grade.
But, if you have access to all 3, you have a powerful 7.0 lineup backed by air options not available at 6.7, and that the 6.7 ground vehicles can still support very capably.
It’s also just a different experience, and that variety is one of WT’s strengths. Sometimes you just wanna play something because it’s cool, competition or not.
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Evil laugh
Fair enough i suppose
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I am really surprised, that the community wants and olny accepts realism, but Germany has got on BR 7.0 a lot of American tanks… Is that realism ??? I dont remember, that Germany has produced the M109 artillery, or that M41 Walker Bulldog and M155 SPA is german… We definitivly need the 3 holy tanks back, including “Hummel” and “Wespe” as SPA on other BR-levels…
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They bought them and operated them… how is that unrealistic?
Two of these “three holy tanks” were literally made up by gaijin and the other one was a wooden mokup turret.
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The tanks Tiger II, Jagdpanther/ Panther, were build in the last years of WWII…
So it is the end of WWII, where Germany already fought with his own tanks… I am pretty sure, that the Jagdpanzer 4-5 is also false on this position. Because it has been build after 1945…
And well, I wanna have a wooden tank, because it is bettern then an completeley american tank. The beginning of the “Bundeswehr” was years later…
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And those are in game, the tiger II 105 and panther II didnt exist, their implementation in game are literally made up by gaijin, and only a mokup turret of the coelian existed.
Well because br are not dependent of dates, a vehicle’s performace is what determines the br.
The Bundeswehr used those tanks…
If we wanna be straight realistic, the time of the Bundeswehr begins with Leopard I, Marder I.
That means, that all 7.7 Vehicles are are part of Bundeswehr/GDR-Army are fine. But that means on the other side, that Walker Bulldog, Jgdpz 4-5, M155 are timely located on a higher BR. Give them more firepower (ammo, something special) and make a clean cut between 1945 and 1950+.
Thats why we need the holy 3 tanks back. To fill a gap, which has been closed unlucky with too modern vehicles. I don´t say, that the M155 and others are too good for higher BR, but that can be fixed. If you want realism, then should be Tiger 10,5, Panther II and Coelian on BR 7.0. So they could change the historical timeline to a timely more correct one. Well, the Panther II is another Version of of Panther F, just with nightvision. And isn´t there a plan, to put the 88mm gun into the Panther turret ?? Somebody wrote that some posts ago. And Tiger II 10,5cm could be realistic, because there is a way to put this gun into the Tiger turret. But if someone argues, that Coelian is unrealistic: The turret was wooden… The Panther chassis has been build with real steel already. It was just the gun-setup, which was put into a wooden turret. The Panther II and Tiger 10,5cm feel more realistic then American vehicles in a german techtree, while it is far before 1950.
It doesnt.
There is no reason to, like i said this is not how the br system works.
This is more unrealistic that having 50s tanks figthing ww2 vehicles, as this actually happened in real life. These 3 tanks are just fantasy.
There was no way to put this gun into the turret. It requires a modified turret, in war thunder the model clips on the range finder and on the crew even with a larger turret, the fact that they even place 2 loaders on it is pure nonsense.
Well, the panther 2 was never finished, and the turret was placed by the americans. And the 88 turret is a different proyect to begin with, which was never finished either, like i said the conbiantion that we have in game is pure fantasy.
Issue is if we apply date of introduction based BRS or line ups to other nations, several vehicles are very disadvantaged like the Pbv 301 or RN Aquila.
A real Panther II ( that would be named something like Panther II (8,8 cm KwK.43) or idk) could be fun as a vehicle for an event. But it would be nice to be like very hard to get, or with big luck. The spam of those would be just boring, an the rare historical spirit of such tanks would be a bit destroyed.
Yes, everyone knows, so what? The vehicles appear and play authentic enough. War Thunder is not historical, why not finally drop the ball and accept it? We have Senrai Maiden bundles in the Store with completely fictional Camouflage/cosmetic appearance and Christmas Gnomes and other crap attached to literally any vehicle type of any era, no Immersion here whatsoever.
And let me ask you directly:
Are you fine with the Ostwind II and the Premium Version from the Two fronts bundle?
Because the vehicle in the Pictures above is completely made up by Gaijin too. It should have received the same Treatment as the three Tanks of this Thread long ago, but instead there have been no news or conmunication from the Devs and they even added a Premium Version of it. So what is this, “rules for thee, but not for me?”
This is the real Ostwind II how it should be in War Thunder:
I would prefer semi-historical and fake domestic vehicle additions (within reason) over copy pasted export slop of other nations any day, and with every game Event and Update I am feeling like losing it. Grinding is so tedious already and can even cause burnout, and every vehicle addition is another slowdown, then I want the addition to be something worthwhile at least! Give me vehicles that make me want to Grind, Gaijin, not all this duplicate nonsense with different Camouflage, roundels and Insignia, please just make it Stop!
It’s surprising and sad that this discussion seems to be dismissed as mere fomo cope by the OP rather than a fundamental critique on the current course of War Thunder development. This whole topic demands official Developer involvement in my opinion, because it is about Copy Paste content fatigue, long term player Engagement and retention and so much more.
In what way? The vehicles model at some extent does, and they need to meet some criterias for them to be added, for tanks that is complete prototypes, which none of these falls into it.
They are still standar vehicles, not to mention that you can disable non historical skins.
No, if you actually have real proof of the design from the ostwind 2 then they should change it, but at the end of the day nothing of essence change with having the gun vertical vs horizontally, also keep in mind that we dont actually know how the ostwind 2 looked like, just that it was made.
The 2 barrels one over the other was just for the test trails. It would have been indeed easier to put both in the original turret with 1 hole, but they had in the plans to make it as in WT to reduce the overall height (the ostwind 1 was already not far from 3m high). The loader would have been exposed to enemy fire when he would stand up to reload the gun over.
The guy who created your image of an RC probably inspired himself from those. And as you can see, both loaders would have to site in the same side, which would be… tricky.
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Balance is one example, that is semi-historical at best. Historical matchmaking would be too unfair because some vehicles could only be threatened and destroyed by close air Support and crush everyone, so in most War Thunder matches you have vehicles fighting together and each other that are from completely different eras and did sometimes not even exist yet. But vehicles fighting other vehicles from the future is commonly accepted for playability. Yet this is just as made up as the removed vehicles.
Same with the lack of collision physics on all gun barrels, it does not work for the Game design.
Then we have all those annoying 3D Decorations that you cannot disable, you have to see the Christmas Gnomes and Dirtbikes on other players vehicles whether you like it or not.
Then there are multiple other vehicles that are pure alternative history and made up, like the Japanese F-16. This never happened, Japan did not receive the F-16, but the Devs just said that there is no other way and added it anyways.
Except it isnt, ww2 vehicles didnt stop being used after 1945, pt 76 were in service and fought alongside t34 or pz4. Historical matchmaking is at the end of the day a flawed system as tanks didnt fight on isolated period, also at the end of the day the accuracy of the models is a completely different matter outside of the matchmaking or the visual modifiatiosn.
They already said that they will remove them, just like they did with the r2yr2.
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Which is a bad idea for the Game. Fake/Semi-historical vehicles like the R2Y2 or the Panther II are Copy Paste Proof unique national vehicles that add identity and flavor to the tech trees. Removing them and not adding anything else is more a Regression of the Game, even worse when existing vehicles are Copy Pasted as replacements. Players need to be interested by the unique options in each nation to pick up the Grind. Instead every Tech Tree is becoming more interchangeable now. Everyone gets a Leopard, an F-16, a Sherman. Why pick that Tech Tree over any other? It doesn’t matter, all have the same vehicles now, and those that stand out are on the chopping block or already gone.
They should remove all the duplicates and replace them with domestic vehicles, real or not.