But the vehicle is already here, so I would rather have it be at least physically plausible given Snail will never remove it entirely from those who already have it.
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The turret drive still being in development doesn’t mean the tank is fake.
It was just cancelled prior to that development finishing, which still makes the vehicle real.
Entirely different to Coelian that didn’t even have a turret produced.
The Leclerc turret on the EMBT was/is integrated to the point of actually working.
The turret on the Radpanzer 90 was just sitting inside the hull, acting as ballast for driving tests.
My whole point is that the majority of a vehicle having been built is enough for WT anyways and that puts the Radpanzer 90 in the same group as the planes that never had guns, but were planned to have guns or other vehicles that just weren’t finished.
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As a Japan Main, it is very unlikely we will see War Thunder’s interpretation of the Ho-Ri Production. Nor its version of the Ho-Ri Prototype.
However 3 suggestions already exist for getting the historically accurate versions instead. Albeit their BR’s would be lower. Due to the armor not being as effective.
But this is not all of them. Since there is 3. Meaning it would be 6.0, 6.3, and 7.0
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Not unless that was recenty - I visited Kublinka in 2018 and it was still there.
Its kinda confusing, so whats the point of the rules in suggestion. And the Soyuz was added with only the hull made, yet Gaijin defends its implementation.
@Smin1080p_WT would be nice if you can clear this and update the rules
Naval has different benchmarks, look at HMS Lion and most of high tier USSR Bluewater.
a suggestion can be made for a vehicle even if its just a drawing on a cigarette packet.
Yak 141 kinda breaks gaijins own rules but thats russia tree for you.
Ships are game if they are laid down, even if there was never a chance of them being finished even if the shipyard wasnt threatened. thats why Soyuz is in its soviet pipedream config rather than a still very unrealistic but heavily comprimised fit like it probably should be.
its also why things like HMS lion are fair game. paper ships are allowed just so that theres some actual possible additions. Tanks/Air doesnt need that concession
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Tosa was unfinished.
Gneisenau never got the 38cm fit, nor was any work planned.
Ersatz Yorck was only a hull at most. Mackensen in a similar position. At least one of the Bayerns were unfinished.
I can keep going. Soyuz isn’t an outlier.
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The most we should get is the Panzer 2 hull with the Panther D turret as a 6.3 medium tank for Germany.
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Remodel the Panther II to be realistic and make it available for research again
Once again, I find myself having to suppress these common uses of outline ships added way atfer the first never finished ships, the Project 23 isn’t the first nor the last for outliner machines that are powerful.
Furthermore it has been proven often that NF vessels have different rules to GF machines although AF aircraft seem to often surpass them (Yak-41 & F-16AJ)
Italy:
• Commandante Margottini, Commandante Medaglie d’Oro class Destroyer
• Etna, Etna class cruiser, Originally ordered as HTMS Taksin, Taksin class cruiser
• Francesco Caracciolo, Francesco Caracciolo Battleship, never finished
• Conte di Cavour, Conte di Cavour class Battleship, AA refit.
Japan:
• Amagi, Amagi class Battlecruiser
• Tosa, Tosa class Battleship
Technically speaking the only true fake vessel since the devs screwed up the model: Type 5, the Project 23 is more real than this…
• IJA Type 5 Escort Boat, wooden version was real, steel version was never built, in game it’s a chimera of the two.
• T-51b, fixed, used to be a fake version.
France:
• Clemenceau, Richelieu class Battleship
Germany:
• Z15 Erich Steinbrinck Type 1934A, Projected AA refit from my understanding (subject debated due to serving until wars end)
• SMS Sachsen, Bayern class Battleship, not completed
• Ersatz Yorck, Ersatz Yorck class Battlecruiser, 5% completion
• Gneisenau, Scharnhorst class Battleship, projected armament refit
• Z46 & Z47 Type 1936C, both scrapped on their slips.
• Z51 Type 1942, sunk in air raid iirc.
•Z52 Type 1944, dismantled on slip
• Mackensen, Mackensen class Battlecuiser, never finished
• VS-10 apparently, trails done, ready for fitting out but bombed in air raid.
The Soviets/ Imperial Russia:
• Project 68BIS-ZIF Shcherbakov, projected AA layout
• Project 69 Kronshtadt, 12" armed never completed
• Project 69I Sevastopol, 15" armed never completed
• Project 23 Sovetsky Soyuz, never completed
• Project 41 Erevan, never finished
• Project 82 Stalingrad, never finished
• Izmail class Battlecruiser Izmail, never finished.
Feels weird finally adding Britain:
• HMS Lion, Lion class Battleship 1938, Never completed.
Ship should be at least laid down (unfortunately).
PS there aren’t really any strong rules, Gaijin can implement whatever they want, hide it from research/purchase if it doesn’t meet criteria, but regularly return it for short time, like with Bf-109Z-1.
I mean, there is a claim of a single prototype having been completed floating around the internet, but I can’t tell what it is based on.
Gaijin obviously seems to believe that claim to be true
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Its not clear what the question is here. Ships have differing requirements to add them to the game compared to planes and tanks. Since ships typically dont have “prototypes” or experimental series vehciles we can use.
For example they just need to have been laid down, like Soyuz and HMS Lion.
I really hated when gaijin pulled out this move, what’s the point of removing cool unique vehicles to be replaced by copy paste slop from other nations, why would that be EVER a good idea, it was never made, and?i think if there is a black hole in a TT that can be filled by a much more unique and interesting vehicle even if it was never made but only conceptualized is a far better idea then just taking an american or russian sloppa tank and paste it over and over to every nation.
Gaijin just thinks of printing money over and over with sloppa premiums, copy paste vehicles and uninteresting 1960 plus and beyond garbage that shouldn’t be included in lower tiers. why can’t we just have cool things, i agree that the real counterparts should have priority but when those run out what do we do, close shop??
What’s the plan here, they keep adding new vehicles too fast, ignoring gameplay problems for DECADES. other then printing money from poeple unfortunately buying premiums what is the gameplan here, nothing interesting has been added for the gameplay no new modes, sim is completly forgotten i, ari rb is a joke, planes are either CAS nightmare in tank mode or completly garbage in air mode, im not even gonna talk about naval. i mean, it’s littearlly turning into world of tanks itll die the same way that game did if it continues like this.
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What this basically says is “we can change the rules at a whim when the money says to do so.”
Using the blueprints for the long 88 Schmalturm, yes. We know what it would look like from Doyle’s books. Literally that’s all that’s truly “wrong” with it which makes it physically impossible right now - cramming a gun into a turret that cannot fit the thing.
The KT105 has the same problem.
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soo… no turret?
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it wouldnt have had smalturm. It predates the smalturm by a an entire year, it would have a thicker normal panther style turret.
Panther with 88mm is a fake. a schmalturm is barely valid for the game considering its situation so dont expect the fake OP one that sweaty veteran players abuse to come back soon
same 7.5cm gun, same engine, only thicker armour
Source: Panther II mit 8.8 cm KwK 43 L/71 (Fake Tank) - Tank Encyclopedia
Panzerkampfwagen Panther Ausf.F (Sd.Kfz.171) - Tank Encyclopedia
if we were to get a “real” panther 2 then it wouldnt really fix any of the panthers pitfalls in game other than tanking more hull front hits, youre trading surviving 17pdr APDS for a worse HP:Ton ratio.
Honestly with how german mains are at 5.7-6.7 it may even end up the same BR as the normal panthers as it simply offers no overall benefits other than slight jumbo proofing for 12hp/ton over 15hp/ton, not to mention the turret slewing rate may be slower from the extra weight, people struggle with the panther D and VK3002 as they dont have fast turrets (even tho id say they are better than an early IS2 because of mobility and ROF)
I know about the one in the museum with a Panther G turret on top. By all means that could be a separate tank.
What I am proposing is merely taking the existing one and making it physically possible, as its already grandfathered-in and changing it that drastically would piss off a LOT of people.
The R2Y2s are just as fake but at least they are physically possible. As is the Coelian.
But the King Panther? The KT105? The Ho-Ri Production? The D.521? Those are not physically possible vehicles.