Please Give Us Back the Original Panther II, Flakpanzer 341 "Coelian," and Tiger II 10.5cm KwK

sounds great. Im heading home from work now.

Yes, it can. I wouldn’t for a moment argue they’re bad. Hell, even the Maus can flank sometimes if the enemy is blind. It’s a great vehicle for getting kills. But not the best at influencing matches imho. You can still do it, but you have to be mindful of its limitations.

A while back I made a video about using German 6.0 very aggressively.

You’re right, I clearly need more caffeine today.

For sure. It’s an even more extreme case of a tank that is a medium only in name.

No, the lower governor has been unchanged for a long time to my knowledge. That’s why I bring the VK with me to 6.0. Same gun, and it’s faster. Sure, you have less armour, but if you get really uptiered then the extra armour is just dead weight anyway. The only genuine, honest to god drawback is the atrocious targeting speed.

Yes, but the .50 means you will likely not complete that flank after barreling. Granted with the Pershing specifically you can kill it frontally regardless, but this is more to illustrate the fact that the Panther’s toolbox is not as varied; it’s a less versatile vehicle.

Tbh, the two levels of protection are incomparable. Take a look at the performance of Panther armour at 500 metres vs the guns of the Tiger II, Jagdtiger, and IS-2 respectively:



(In some screenshots Steam decided not to include the UI, oh well)

Now, the T-44 against the same guns:



That’s an insane level of protection for a medium tank.

Sorry, I wasn’t clear enough. I was not comparing my stats to other players, but my stats in Panthers vs my stats in other vehicles.

I would not say the best, no, but they are both very good, the Tiger II is just great period, the Jagdtiger needs someone with a brain to be used well but it can really shine if you know how to play it. However, I’ve been playing them in the 7.0 - 8.0 bracket (in order to play with my friend). These are two heavy, slow vehicles, it’s not like uptiering an M18, and yet I did better in them than I did in Panthers the month before. Not by much, but still better.

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the panther 2 was cancelled by the german military the turret was redisigned and used on the panther F and then it was bombed canceling that one the turret tho was orginially for panther 2

The schmale Blende seems to be some sort of adaption of Rheinmetall’s H-SKA 86176 otherwise known as ‘Turm Panther 2 (schmale Blendenausführung)’ (English: ‘Turret Panther 2 (narrow mantlet variant)’) which the drawing dates back to November 7, 1943. The turret served as one of several proposals for the Panzerkampfwagen Panther II. It lacked the triangular roof line which accommodated the rangefinder, the rangefinder itself, and the armored guard underneath the mantlet which was designed to prevent shot traps. It is unclear if the schmale Blende is a parallel development to schmale Blendenausführung or a way for Rheinmetall to salvage the design after the cancellation of the Panzerkampfwagen Panther II in May, 1944.

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Panther II with a G turret would be a US premium, considering the US are the ones who put it on there.

Panther II with one of the planed turrets, or better yet a TT Panther II with the early planned turret and a premium Panther II with the later planned turret would be great.

then i await for the Olifant-Bismark


and the USSR Maus (as USSR was to put maus turret on maus hull).
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oh. and most funny thing

no need to copypaste machinery, especially one that did not exist

is that a panzer 4 turret

Yes it is

weird i smell german shershing that would be a nice techtree tank

probably shoulld be added like this if they do add anything if they do add a panther 2 which would be a panther 2 with uparmoured gun and maybe a special HEAT-FS round if that also gets added

Yes it was. Story goes, it was welded to the hull just to make another cannon shoot and move.
But i cannot prove it or otherwise.

appears to be a PANZER 4H turret due to the add on skirts on side of turret so likely it would have same armor it be good it probably be like first ARL-44 4.7 5.0

first arl sits 3.7

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I mean, the Germans did put together a complete Maus before the Soviets captured it.

The Soviet Maus is a Frankenstein’s Monster of the V1 hull and V2 turret. I’m not sure if they gutted all the internals after it got back to the USSR or if it was found that way after the German attempted sabotage.

The Panther II as intended fits the partial prototype suggestion category for the game. The hull was built, it ran.

Panther with the Panzer IV turret is documented to not have any ability to traverse. I can’t recall if the gun is operational or not.

I can’t comment on the SA vehicle, I know nothing about it.

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we arent sure either…

its the same “partial” as captured panther 2. The TH800 Bismark we have ingame now - was one prototype. Then germans either made another hull without turret, or took the turret back, im not really sure. But then the SA museum just put the Olifant turret over, as the US did with Panther G turret. .

Germany already had a Maus with a turret assembled. The hull was sabotaged with explosives. The only thing that russia did was take the second Maus hull and mate it to the leftover turret from the sabotaged tank.

This was done by germany and was nonfunctional. The inside of the turret was stripped out.

MB yeah it does been a hot minute since i played it

was it? I have many different stories about that tank,

ah but that one special maus with combined turret and hull from different models is still a thing. Thats a historically accurate machine!

While browsing the bundesarchiv invenio, I came across RH 8/3953K which contains: “Pzkpfw. Tiger II, Ausf. B, Umrüstung, Vergleich der 8,8 cm K L/71 und der 10,5 cm K L/68, Munitionsunterbringung, Nov. 1944”

It would definitely shine light on the ammunition stowage layout for the Tiger II L/68. I’m going to make a digitisation request for this document, which would take them around 6~ months for them to complete, based on previous documents I’ve requested from them to be digitised.

After that, I will create a historical report for the ammunition layout since it is certainly incorrect in game.

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That’s cool 🙂

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