Please Give Us Back the Original Panther II, Flakpanzer 341 "Coelian," and Tiger II 10.5cm KwK

[soymilkman]

wow, those have gone up a ton since I bought some of them.

[Bloodmaster_XT]

Can I ask where you heard that and who the CC was? It would be great if true, but I would be very surprised if a content creator had more insider info than Stona or Smin.

[CmdrVince]

If you look further down Stona very clearly debunked that.

Gaijin never will (and shouldn’t) bring these back. They weren’t real; and therefore shouldn’t be in game. At least some of the experimentals had tests done on them; these are completely false and shouldn’t be added.

[Bloodmaster_XT]

@CmdrVince

Stona very clearly debunked that.

Hence the latter part of my comment. I’m guessing it was merely speculation on the CC’s part.

[PlayedStatue626]

I believe the flakpanzer 341 should return as the hull functioned, but the other two should be replaced with more accurate models

[Ghostmaxi]

The hull was a plain Panther D, tho 6 guns (3,7 cm Flak 341, belt feed and longer barreled Flak 43) were constructed befor the end.

[BACKRAGE44428-live]

just add this boom done

[Ghostmaxi]

Im 3 worlds ahead.

3,7 cm Flak 36 L/57 auf Bergepanther D

poll I would like to suggest this Bergepanther D mit 3,7 cm Flak 36 L/57 or 3,7 cm Flak 43 L/57 as a sort of IFV, overall its a Bergepanther D, on which either of the guns were placed upon. (At least 2 build). Especially when given Pzgr. L’Spur and/or H-Pzgr. L’Spur this could effectively attack aircraft and ground targets, tho be also rather vurnable as the only “turret” armor is the standart gunshield, however it still has the great mobility and armor of the Base Panther D hull. In game sort …

[BACKRAGE44428-live]

dam thanks didnt wanna make a suggestion i stopped do them after the 20th one got rejected

[PlayedStatue626]

I guess but doesn’t that mean that as long it was partially complete (the hull exists) that it would be eligible for addition?

[BACKRAGE44428-live]

depends

[TwitchyNGL]

nope

[Ghostmaxi]

No, as it isnt a unique nor main production hull, it was just a normal outdated D hull, where they put the mockup on. The gun tho also cant be used, as they were also inteded as normal field AA.

[PlayedStatue626]

I guess you have a point. I still think the other two should be added as long as they use the actual planned models, regardless of what happens to the original models

[KillaKiwi]

And they probably ended up in the Ostwind II.
At least if we believe the story of two coaxial mounted guns.

Too bad there’s no real information on those guns.

I can only speculate that it used either a new round or would have used the Navy 37mm cartridge.

[AlvisWisla]

? You mean the aircraft that are still in the tech tree?

@Ghostmaxi

Im 3 worlds ahead.

Thanks for posting this cause this skipped my radar in the past.

[Ghostmaxi]

I dont think it even used a new casing, a longer barrel (than standart L/57) with maybe a new propellant would increase the 914m/s → 1000m/s for the M-Gr. Conciddering that 1150-1170 for the H-Pzgr. Is already achivable, idk.

[KillaKiwi]

Hmm could be possible 🤔

[MademoiselleSXXI]

Projects being considered by the respective military? Hey Mirage 4000 fans, if they get their paper tanks back, guess what we can have!

[Detach0-0]

The real issue is that the German tech tree is plagued by Gaijin’s bias.

• The MG 151/20 is currently underperforming significantly, which is both unfair and historically inaccurate.

• Gaijin has nerfed the APCR for the German 20mm, 30mm, and 37mm cannons, while simultaneously giving the Soviet M53/59 a full belt of 91mm penetration APCR ammunition.

• What disgusts me even more is that Gaijin clearly knows the German aircraft cannons once dominated ground battles, yet they fabricated terrifyingly effective APHE rounds for the Soviet NS-45 cannon.

• Despite knowing the struggles German 6.7 BR vehicles face against enemy CAS, Gaijin refuses to lower the Kugelblitz’s BR to 6.7.