Regardless, i think this is such a minor issue. It is more easy to hit any part of the tank instead of the machine gun. I don’t think it matters, just don’t aim for the 4 bad pixels. If the inconsistencies are regular with the 183mm hesh with perfect shots, i would assume this to be a bigger shot.
Since both of you probably have the fv4005, can you record 50 of your matches so we can compile some consistency statistics of how the shells work. And by that i mean 50 matches without handpicking the ones with inconsistencies and leaving out the ones without.
as devils advocate i have to say it was not the best-placed shot, however it should still have bagged a kill. I should record when I use FV4005 so I have better examples to use
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They just need to model the explosive filler, which apparently gaijin doesn’t think it exists.
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I remember reading one of the posts that says they did, it has two penetrators and behaves more like the HEAT, which explains why some HESH shots could kill some crews, and with pure HE you either deal 0 crew damage or 100% which is overpressured. I don’t remember the rest.
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17kg of plastic explosive in a 70kg shell is a major underestimate for sure
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Feel free to do your maths
assuming the 183mm similar to the later developed 120mm hesh for chieftain and challenger, id guess the 120 is based on what was learnt from the FV4005 project please help me understand how such a large part of inside the shell makes up so little of the weight and why this means it has to be so wimpish
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I don’t agree with it, i was encouraging either of you to do your own math to see what you 2 can come up with.
seeing as the active filler takes up around 65-70% of the shell I’d assume there’s about 19-20kg of plastic explosive in the 183mm giving it about 24.3-25.6kg of TNT equivalent
my rough workings
(its been several years since I was in school so my maths isn’t as good as it was)
for simplicity, I haven’t calculated the loss of area from the cone at the top of the cylindrical shape meaning the shell has a total volume of 20L
65% of 20L is 13L
the average weight of most plastic explosives is 1.46g per cm^3 according to Google
1.46x 13000cm3 gives us almost 19kg
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I think you have to be a good amount on the sober side to accurately aim for the mg port
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No sober person would aim for the mg port with hesh though so that problem is self fixing.
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FV4005 - AVRE - Do they work as good as they would IRL? Nah. Are they still super fun and competitive in the right hands? Yeah. A fix would be fine, but I love taking FV4005 and M109A1 at 6.3. Great combo.
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Literally everyone; so where’s the explosive fillers gaijin?
Gaijin: ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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i was sober while playing, was drinking during match though
its the literal major weakspot on the jumbo to the point of me killing a jumbo with the fox through it
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I think the problem is twofold, first theres few enough HESH slingers around gaijin doesn’t necessarily see the need to dedicate resources to it and secondly I’m not sure we really want realistic HESH
I have the trial results of the Malkara missile which features a 8" HESH warhead with even more filler than the 183
Gonna put the 11 hit results in spoilers to not make a wall of images
Spoiler
11 hits with a massive HESH warhead resulted in 4 dead crew along with one shot cooking off ammo destroying the tank.
Over half the hits resulted in the conq still having the ability to fire with full effectiveness with several other hits giving it limited ability to still fight back.
ear injuries are ever present but overpressure killing the entire crew doesn’t really happen
HESH is good at damaging optics, jamming drives and gearboxes, shattering gauges, ripping external components off and the like, in real life these types of strikes would kill a tank as it can’t be repaired in the field by the crew inside but in WT that type of damage is a 20-30 second repair and back in action.
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Why would hitting the machine gun port have an effect on a 183mm HESH shell lol
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I can’t remember but did this missile have the induced spin to help the hesh spread? Also what’s with everyone saying the guys a bad player for aiming for the machine gun port with a 183mm hesh round? The round is big enough to cause hulls to crack open in the case of a round hitting a king tigers turret and it simply shattering (although this is late war German steel so I understand the lower quality metal). In game you can shoot a bmp from the front and all it would do is take outs it’s driver and engine, the problem is hesh either acts as an he shell or hesh shell but never both at the same time, this can cause light tanks to survive when they realistically shouldn’t. Someone else has posted this however I’m not sure if he’s made a suggestion so maybe we try and get this acknowledged first as it should help a lot more than trying to get gaijin to acknowledge he shells hitting a turret would cause the turret ring to buckle at the very minimum.
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considering the amount of explosive irl it should kill it regardless. It’s like shooting a bomb at something. the machine gun port wouldn’t do anything other than set it off a split second sooner
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