Please Fix top tier GRB

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Repost because it was removed for no good reason

Top Tier Ground RB is honestly a joke at this point

I know people have complained about this for years, but it needs to be said again, top tier just isn’t fun anymore. Which makes playing feel like a waste of time

When I started playing back in 2013, the game at least tried to feel semi-realistic. It wasn’t perfect, but matchups like Allies vs Axis or NATO vs USSR made sense. There was a logic to it, and you felt immersed.

Now? It’s Germany and USSR dominating nearly every match, or Germany vs everyone else and Germany almost never loses. Spare me the stat sheets, I see it in practice. When they are on the same team, it just makes things worse for the other side, especially with heli spam kicking in within the first 60 seconds.

I didn’t stick with this game for over a decade just to watch it become some weird arcade mess. Top tier desperately needs a NATO vs USSR/China matchmaker, and most of the current maps just need to go.

If we’re being honest: these maps weren’t made for modern tanks. Alaska, American Desert etc, they’re tiny, cramped, and feel like they were designed for CoD. These tanks are meant to engage at ranges up to like 4km away. Most of the time you’re either stuck in a bowl or a maze. It’s twitchy, chaotic, and punishes anyone trying to play smart or use their vehicle in a slower more realistic manner.

It’s like Gaijin opted for fast-paced “lizard brain” gameplay based purely on reaction speed, with no room for tactics.

Gaijin, you’ve basically become what you said you weren’t. Back in the day, War Thunder prided itself on not being World of Tanks. But now, The only real difference is that you added modern vehicles. You took out Historical Battles, watered everything down into “Realistic Battles,” and now RB feels like Arcade with slightly more effort.

Before anyone says “just play Sim” be real. Sim has like 14 people in the queue. It’s not even an option. Telling people to “go play Sim” is just dodging the actual issue.

If you’re someone who enjoys the current small-map, hyper-fast gameplay, fine, you do you. But there are a lot of us who miss what this game used to be. Give us a queue or mode that’s actually realistic for top tier:

NATO vs USSR, big maps, and enough space to use our vehicles the way they were meant to be used. I’m not saying I want a full on simulator, just something that meets in the middle.

That’s all I want.

PS: If anyone here knows how to use the CDK, let me know if you want to help with a project I’m currently working on. It’s a Cold War Gone Hot scenario that’s quite large and could be a fox to the current MM if it were ever implemented.

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*Sweden if it was before addition of SLM.

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‘Realistic’ matchmaking between NATO and USSR probably won’t work on today’s terms, how will sub-tech trees behave? For example Taiwan and China. But something I agree is within the sizes of the maps, extremely small for vehicles made to engage targets at great distances.

I miss the old Tunisia 550m × 550m map, truly huge map where players had liberty to move to the city and the river’s delta or the middle between the hills or in the plains in the sands rivers, just a shadow of what ground realistic battles could’ve been, which for more maps like these or even dedicated events or gamemodes.

But I disagree with playing simulator battles is avoiding the issue when actually simulator battles tend to have more matches in larger maps compared to realistic battles.

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I agree that the sub tree issue is real. They would need to find a way to split East and west Germany in the MM for example. I never liked the idea of getting vehicles from nations that they didn’t produce themselves like lend lease and later sales to foreign countries in game. It never made sense to play an island nation to get good tanks lmao

Aside from map size, more realistic terrains/settings would be nice. I can’t stand having cliffs and huge areas of unusable map that are blocked because of rocks.

Aside from there not being many people in Sim, it hardly ever uses top tier or even late 80s tech. It’s always early 70s or older.

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I just don’t know how everyone can’t see it. I played about 10 matches last night at around top tier and I think we won maybe one, and every single match had Germany opposing US / NATO. I think the game would be more balanced if Germany sided with UK US against Russia.

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Classic “my thread was removed. Maybe if i copy/paste it, it will not be removed”

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I changed a tag or two because that’s what it recommended. Seems stupid imo

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Ground simulator battles follows a strict line-up rule, the players don’t choose the vehicles, they’re pre-selected so top tier matches do occur.

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To that, I’ll add all the little ‘tricks’ during gameplay… APFSDS that don’t penetrate 50mm of armor on German tanks in the name of “feline” even when fired at point-blank range or from the side, or that do so little damage. Then there are aberrant Russian tank BRs like 9.3 for a BMD-4 with a missile launcher cannon capable of firing on the move, another 30mm rapid-fire. This is next to a Desert Warrior at 10.0 with a 25mm whose rate of fire is ridiculous, and missiles that can only be fired while stationary and that really struggle to do damage – find the mistake there…

Oh, and while we’re on the subject, what about Western missiles that inflict so little damage, while Russian missiles, I’m sorry… but they’re almost certainly one-shot kills. The same goes for HEAT-FS. I could go on, and for those who tell me to ‘bug report,’ sorry, but the game hasn’t been in beta for a long time, and I’m not a beta tester. Finally, we need to stop deluding ourselves; there are more and more cheaters.

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+1 for matchmakers and maps. Separation of sub trees and captured ones need more tricks but they should be adjusted under a new frame anyways.

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Yeah I know how it works, but I hardly ever see anything including abrams Leo 2s and T-72/T-80s

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Preach! But yeah last night I bounced a dart off the side of a leo2 turret at almost 90 degrees. Had me fuming

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Ever since Gaijin decided to add modern vehicles, the game turned full arcade. Nothing at top tier is fun anymore — it’s just poorly made systems working in the worst way possible. They add things without thinking, vehicles that make zero sense, and keep stuffing the game with new vehicles just to grab the attention of new players or push premiums.

There’s never any real innovation — just awful maps, tiring and discouraging mechanics, boring game modes with no fun at all. There’s no incentive for teamwork either. Honestly, I seriously doubt they care about the community or the forums anymore. It feels like they’ve dropped everything to focus on making cringe TikTok videos.

And every time they launch an update, they rely on dropping some flashy modern vehicle to hype people up — and then release a broken, questionable patch. Always the same. Almost every update comes with ridiculous bugs.

And then there’s the community, which doesn’t help either. You go on the forum, suggest changes, and a bunch of players show up saying “you can’t do that,” “it’ll ruin the game,” “that nation will get too weak,” or “Gaijin is already fixing it” — and in the end, it’s always just more of the same.

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You seem to echo the same frustrations I have. The community seems to accept this trash as worthy when it clearly isn’t.

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Faction vs faction caused American and Japanese aircraft to be chronically under-BR’d.
Their tanks were also on average lower BRs compared to equals back then.
Faction vs faction is fine for custom battles, not for random battles.

The map voting feature in-game is why you see modest [not small] maps, as players found out that flanking routes and equalizing armor makes the game more fair for everyone.
Soviet medium - long range strengths are rather nullified in closer engagements.

Also win rate is team skill; the only solution to win rate disparity is 100% mixed matchmaking like arcade battles [not my preference].

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Idk, I know this is only a single example but the 76 jumbo is over tiered. Germany consistently doesn’t even have to ADS to play the game, meanwhile US has to shoot components unless you hit from the side

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My man in Sweden only thing i got was kh38 on my head or Mavericks i rarely died to tanks .

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I was reffering to the fact is that sweden had or still has:

  • more uparmored leopard 2s
  • finnish 2A6 with L55 gun
  • better VT1 platform
  • FnF AGM equipped top tier jet

when compared to Germany. Germany might be more present as it is more played than sweden, but sweden had up until now better lineup.

Better lineup = easier time dominating.

Also Kh38MTs did not care about having better lineups lmao.

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I understand but I like germany more than Sweden now 2a7 with better thermal and gun 🔫 plus opening puma now plus slm is there now

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which sweden will also get, question is how soon (and given sweden is puppy nation of one of the devs…). Sweden announced accquisition Strv 123s earlier and announced accquisition of SLM like halfway through the dev server lmao.

im gonna admit i did not mention IFVs on purpose as i am not that familiar with CV90s to pass judgment. that being said its not like sweden is short on options for IFVs.