Su-30sm preforms much better in real life than in war thunder, there isn’t much argument to be made about this, it’s just common sense that the super-maneuverable aircraft irl should be super-maneuverable in game, imo it should feel like a heavier version of the F-2000 but with the benefits of tvc and canards. And since people were asking for sources and telling me to watch actual demonstration videos of the Su-30sm, here you go, lol.
The Indian pilots of the Su-30mki (export Su-30sm) have done combat exercises with NATO aircraft such as the F-15, F-2000, and F-22 and the Su-30sm outright beats them in dogfights most times.
Also, I’d like to mention the AOA button for a second, it feels super unoptimized for the game, and especially for the Su-30sm, honestly it’s the most uncontrollable aircraft in game that I’ve flown, I hope they fix it soon.
Like I said, “the Su-30 and F/A-18 should be equal in flight performance, with the Su-30 being better in 1 circle with its thrust vectoring, and the F/A-18 better in 2 circle with its sustained rate and energy retention” not to mention its low speed stability which is seemingly missing from the Su-30sm flight model
“The exercises included both Beyond Visual Range (BVR) and Within Visual Range (WVR) exercises between the Su-30MKI and Eurofighter Typhoon. Indian media reported the results were in favour of the IAF with a score of 12–0 at WVR engagements.”
“The first week of the exercises pitted the Su-30, which NATO calls the Flanker, in a series of aerial dogfight scenarios. First, there were 1 v 1 encounters, where a single jet of each type engaged each other in Within Visual Range (WVR) combat, firing simulated missiles to a range of two miles. The exercises progressed to 2 v 2 engagements with two Eurofighters taking on two Su-30s and 2 v 1 exercises where two Sukhois took on a single Typhoon and vice versa. Notably, in the exercise where a lone Su-30 was engaged by two Typhoons, the IAF jet emerged the victor ‘shooting’ down both ‘enemy’ jets. So, not only held the Su-30s an edge on the Typhoons on 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2, but even when a Sukhoi flew against two Typhoons, it managed to shoot down both enemies.“
Developers don’t accept these types of narrations. They prefer sources where hard numbers are given such as sustained turn rate or instantaneous turn rate. These accounts are rightly not considered as sources. The A-10C has beaten the F-22 in a dogfight, so surely the A-10C is the supreme dogfighter right? Or the fact that Eurofighter and Rafales had beaten the F-22 in dogfights?
A spokesperson for the RAF just said:
“Our analysis does not match what has been reported, RAF pilots and the Typhoon performed well throughout the exercise with and against the Indian Air Force. Both forces learnt a great deal from the exercise and the RAF look forward to the next opportunity to train alongside the IAF.”
If you read the article I posted as my evidence, you’d understand that the combat exercises preformed between the IAF Su-30sm’s and F-2000 were conducted to simulate BVR engagements and WVR engagements (dogfights), so to play to your reasoning, sure it is he said she said about the performance of these aircraft, but when you put them against each other in 1v1-2v1-2v2 dogfights against NATOs top one circle fighters and they get outright sweeped, it’s pretty obvious that the Su-30sm is underperforming in game.
I’ve seen this, like I said, he said she said, but pilots from both sides have admitted that both aircraft are very equal, and it comes down to pilot skill when in dogfights.
You don’t seem to be reading much of what I’m saying, and providing silly statements to disagree with my points with no true fruit to your words, I see no point in arguing about this with you if you’re clearly not going to pay attention to anything I’m saying lol, just disagree and move on, because I really don’t care about you trying to argue your way through my evidence. Again if you read what I’m saying, you’d see I’m not disagreeing with you, I saw the article you sent me before I made my comments, pilots from both sides have stated that the aircraft (F-2000 and Su-30sm) are almost identical in a dogfight, and that it comes down to the pilots skill, I am not verifying what the IAF has said as 100% fact, but I’m using it as a base reference to prove my point that it is underperforming in game, but instead you’re too busy trying to argue with me instead of having genuine conversation, and saying that because the A-10 can out dogfight an F-22 that the A-10 is a “supreme dogfighter” to try and make some nothing statement to me. I see no point in continuing the conversation.
I’m saying that it’s obvious that the Su-30sm is underperforming if pilots from both sides regard them as equals in a dogfight or WVR engagement, you’re quite literally trying to disprove something I’m not even saying, are you just here to argue? Nowhere have I said that what the IAF said was a fact, I was just using the reports from the pilots as a basis for my reasoning as to why I believe the Su-30sm is underperforming in game.
Sure, but what would be the point, would you just continue to argue with me about it? Or would you actually try and pay attention to what I’m saying this time lol
This isn’t a statement from an RAF pilot, but from a journalist from NDTV that better explains the Indian side of the Red Flag exercises, read this over while I continue to look.
“Hi … for all of you who are out there in the internet world and who have an interest in the performance of the Indian Air Force at Red Flag 2008 … I have a few remarks. As the only Indian journalist who spent a lengthy period of time at Nellis after being granted permission by both the Indian Air Force and the US Air Force, I was granted access to impeccable sources in both forces. Whats more, I was able to independently corroborate this information with reliable, alternative sources.
Several of the points I present here in the form of this post on the Bharat Rakshak forum will be compiled into an article which I will post on my company website ndtv.com. For those of you not familiar with the Indian media … New Delhi Television (NDTV) is India’s largest 24 hour news network and our website is one of the most viewed among news websites in the country. For the moment, I have decided not to do a television news report on this since I believe the contents of this post are too technical for a larger audience.”
“Well I wasn’t part of that exercise but some close friends were. The story goes both ways especially when you are engaged in friendly exercises with fixed rules of engagements! I think it’s an even fight and the man behind the machine would make the difference! Such a contest gets any fighter jock drooling!”- Gp captain Anurag Sharma, a su 30 mki pilot in his hushkit interview
I have yet to find a direct statement from RAF/USAF pilots, but what I said was rather vague and taken out of context, what I was talking about was this article I found of the Su-30sm pilot, and imo, he’s a much more reliable source than I, lol
