Watch badly made mod? Cool
I mean okay, that’s your opinion then, but currently in War Thunder, the Su-30 is probably the worst jet to use in a dogfight, it can’t last one turn with anything, and I’ve extensively tested these claims.
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You can disagree with me all day, that’s what these threads are for, conversation, but I’m not gonna change my mind is all I’m saying.
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What are you expecting it to do? Is there a specific maneuver that you think it should be able to do better? It already does one turns better than everything if you turn on maneuverability mode, perhaps the one exception being the F-18 which has worse off-bore missiles so you shouldnt be losing that anyway.
Also have you flown the EF? I have tried the maneuverability mode on it and it sucks by comparison.
I’m comparing it to the current top tier meta because that’s what it’s going to face, IMO there’s a bunch of aircraft I think are underperforming, the f-14, the mig21/mig29 (not as much with the aoa toggle)and the flanker family including the su-30, and there are plenty of other aircraft that I think are over preforming, like the f16a, f15a, and f-18
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Yeah, I have the Italian ef, and I agree lol it’s already super unstable, the aoa button doesn’t help it much
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Su-30 has TVC but it is also heavy and cannot regain its energy.
Missiles aside every Gen 4.5 has it on toast…IRL
Typhoon
Rafale
Gripen
Su-35
To name a few
Thats because Gaijin shat all over the Typhoons fm
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Also, it doesn’t out turn ANYTHING, all the maneuverability toggle is good for on the su30 is doing tricks and snapping the nose in, imo some more thrust would make it feel more accurate to irl because as of no, you turn once with the toggle and then the rest of the fight is just trying to point your nose on target
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no its because of the delta wing and engine placement
The F-14 is next to him
Fr lol, gaijin made it horrible in dogfights for some reason
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For gaijin its more importan that the plane (Su-30sm) weight like a 1ton more. Than the benefice of Canard+TVC. Right now that thing lock at match speed and is almost imposible to pull the nose around. locked at 8g. The most it can pull its 10g. Compare to 12g or 15g on other planes. Make it really hard to dodge Fox3 at short range.
Sadly without source’s there is not way to even try to fight gaijin model.
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Typhoon doesnt have an AOA overide IRL because it was designed not to need it.
Its a heavy boat you are comparing it with 2 of on paper the best Gen 4.5 BFM airframes.
Su-30 MKII in Indian service looses to Rafale in BFM in most test cases.
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What are you basing your assertion on? If you can show that the SU-30SM is too heavy or missing thrust, then bug report it.
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Having used it, the low G limit is really the only notable problem with it.
F-15E?
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Even the Red Eagles have never tested airplanes to the limits of their capabilities, because it’s just dangerous. You can lose not only the plane, but also the pilot. And certainly no one will do this at exercises, even such prestigious ones as Red Flags.
Besides, can you imagine that the media would publish a pilot’s report if he praised an enemy plane?
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The F-18 does not over-perform in War Thunder.
The Su-30SM does not under-perform in War Thunder.
Su-30SM’s flight model is 100% correct in sustained turn rate.
And the F-18 has only been argued as under-performing slightly.
F-18 out-dogfights F-16s and F-15s IRL, so of course it’s supposed to in-game as well.
There are no artificial nerfs.
The Su-30SM was always going to be worse in flight performance than Su-27SM, J-11B, etc because heavier engines on a heavier airframe producing less thrust.
There’s a reason thrust-vectoring never left experimental/expensive projects.
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