Fr lol, gaijin made it horrible in dogfights for some reason
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For gaijin its more importan that the plane (Su-30sm) weight like a 1ton more. Than the benefice of Canard+TVC. Right now that thing lock at match speed and is almost imposible to pull the nose around. locked at 8g. The most it can pull its 10g. Compare to 12g or 15g on other planes. Make it really hard to dodge Fox3 at short range.
Sadly without source’s there is not way to even try to fight gaijin model.
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Typhoon doesnt have an AOA overide IRL because it was designed not to need it.
Its a heavy boat you are comparing it with 2 of on paper the best Gen 4.5 BFM airframes.
Su-30 MKII in Indian service looses to Rafale in BFM in most test cases.
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What are you basing your assertion on? If you can show that the SU-30SM is too heavy or missing thrust, then bug report it.
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Having used it, the low G limit is really the only notable problem with it.
F-15E?
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Even the Red Eagles have never tested airplanes to the limits of their capabilities, because it’s just dangerous. You can lose not only the plane, but also the pilot. And certainly no one will do this at exercises, even such prestigious ones as Red Flags.
Besides, can you imagine that the media would publish a pilot’s report if he praised an enemy plane?
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The F-18 does not over-perform in War Thunder.
The Su-30SM does not under-perform in War Thunder.
Su-30SM’s flight model is 100% correct in sustained turn rate.
And the F-18 has only been argued as under-performing slightly.
F-18 out-dogfights F-16s and F-15s IRL, so of course it’s supposed to in-game as well.
There are no artificial nerfs.
The Su-30SM was always going to be worse in flight performance than Su-27SM, J-11B, etc because heavier engines on a heavier airframe producing less thrust.
There’s a reason thrust-vectoring never left experimental/expensive projects.
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Would love a source on that. Not saying it should be better than Su-27. Sure plane is heavy but it also have improvement like Canard or TVC.
There are. The nose of the Su-30sm its fighting your inputs with the “Cobra button”. To the point that the plane stop responding to your commands and even the TVC stop working. That is not realistic.
That is your opinion and really bad/wrong one.
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We don’t have the 30SM2 with the AL41s so yes this version has weaker engines…I’m a Flanker main and to me the Su-30SM feels great, combine its TVC and AoA shut off with HOBS missiles and it’s the most Dangerous in close aircraft in the game! Yes, I would even say better then the Rafale with its MICA.
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@Temeraire
TVC is not an improvement, it is a curse.
And the canards are there to manage the extra weight.
As for your last sentence claiming physicists and engineers are wrong for discovering TVC aircraft are worse… the Typhoon is the best dogfighter in the world, 2nd to none… standard engines.
F-18C, standard engines.
Rafale, standard engines.
Every single experiment in thrust vectoring engines: F-16, F-15, Typhoon, etc all of them resulted in failure to improve dogfight capabilities, especially for the money.
The added weight of the engine as well as lower thrust due to higher drag inside the engine mechanisms caused lower performance.
All you need to do is show J-11 vs Su-30SM.
The only reason Su-30SM exists is because India bankrolled the Su-30MKI project and forced them to run the engines. Zero Sukhoi aircraft would be running thrust vectoring engines if India never wanted to do air show tricks.
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dont bother, u will seee many gringo trolls saying SU 30sm is performs well in this game and the f18 is way better irl, on acrobatic shows with no fuel/bombs loaded for sure. At this point Gajin needs to add the su35/mig31 so CCCP has a plane to compete at top br, either that or to buff the su30sm/su27sm since now those are a caca plane in this game.
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@LoL-LoL
The Su-30SM is a meta 14.0 jet.
Is the Mirage 2000-5F the worst 13.7 to you? Cause that’s what you imply by saying Su-30SM isn’t good.
I think this speaks for it self…from the Eurofighters perspective that I killed. HOBS with TVC in 1v1s and even in 2v1s if they really mess up can give you an edge! It really is who manages their aircraft better!
Yes they have buffed the R-73 it actually is realistic and will loop round and hit a target.
Typhoon can no longer pull enough G or AOA to defeat it.
As seen in your vid, Typhoon should have been able to get inside the turn circle of the Su-30 instead it has to extend and lazilly try to reposition.
Gaijin have cooked the Typhoon, but hey at least the Su-30 and Rafale guys are happy
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Do you even have any sources claiming performance?
yes and i think its missing 12dgre aoa and 2.2 dgre of turn
Why’d the put it on the F-22 then? Kinda seems like a waste of money.
Su-37, later made into the Su-35, flew first in the late 90s whereas the MKI first flew in the early 2000s. There is also the Su-27LL-PS which yes, while experimental, was still a thrust vectoring Flanker.
Me when I don’t like a certain countries doctrine.
It’s almost like modern dogfights revolve around who can get one of those fancy short range missiles off first.
Sure is a shame that thrust vectoring wouldn’t help get your nose around oh wait.
And don’t you dare bring up the R-73s performance in WT. Since you seem to be talking about irl performance. And we know the R-73s are gimped due to the server performance. (Source: Storm Warning Dev Server.)
Mmm, yes. Pure fighter versus a modernized fighter turned interceptor.
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