Again, as it has nothing to do with the actual performance of the tank (which is what makes BR matter), it does not matter. Not to mention that there are two very basic things that are just wrong:
Premiums need to be bought, so not everyone will have access to them.
AGAIN, the point is that the M26 is worse than other 6.7s from a performance standpoint, and that is why it will be “not useful”. You keep dodging this like the plague
And also again, that argument only works with arcade where there are limited spawns. This topic is RB.
How on earth are you arriving at SL awards “not mattering”? You are aware there was a big review bomb and player revolt over this exact issue, right? Like 95% of the playerbase other than you seems to think SL is relevant to their fun and sanity quite a lot. Three premiums and one non premium is obviously a very strong reason to NEVER EVER bring the tech tree one into any battles, that matters to almost everyone (maybe not a few people who have like 300 million SL. Although with SL crates now, even they might actually care)
The BR absolutely matters here: it is the thing that causes it to compete with a lineup where there is already a full roster of vehicles that have better SL modifiers than it. So the BR being the same is very much the thing that makes it have “NO USE”
And lowering its BR to 3.0 WOULD give it a use: it would give it a reason to bring it out (at 3.0 instead of 3.3) even though it has worse SL. The reason being “so that you can face weaker enemies”
“BR doesn’t matter for economy” is obviously nonsense
To begin with, if you haven’t noticed somehow, premiums that entirely replace their tech tree counterparts already exist. Not to mention that your entire argument is hanging on the thread of a hypothetical scenario which will NEVER HAPPEN, because Gaijin will never release 7 identical Pz.IV F2s on the same tech tree with 3 of them being premium. But either way…
The BR absolutely matters here: it is the thing that causes it to compete with a lineup where there is already a full roster of vehicles that have better SL modifiers than it. So the BR being the same is very much the thing that makes it have “NO USE”
This only is the case if you have specifically bought all those premium tanks, as I have already pointed out, and this costs money. Effectively you are paying for an advantage in research and SL. So if you think about it it makes perfect sense for these tanks to end up at the same BR.
On top of that, most people simply won’t buy those 3 extra premiums (Edit: I want to add that I also had pointed this out, moving on). So the other Pz.IVs would still be useful and would continue to be useful to those people that don’t buy premium tanks.
Unlike the M26, where people will inevitably buy, for example, the T26E5. Which as I have pointed out several times, is blatantly superior in performance.
“BR doesn’t matter for economy” is obviously nonsense
I don’t think that something being premium or not should affect its BR. The reason for the example is that by applying the OP’s logic, it WOULD be a reason to affect its BR, and by the very fact of how ridiculous that conclusion is, it demonstrates that OP must have been wrong:
By the OP’s logic, “something having no use” is enough of a reason to change its BR.
All the copy pastes being premium would cause the tech tree variant to “have no use” to you anymore.
Therefore by logical syllogism, “All the copy pastes being premium” → A reason to change the BR of the tech tree one
The fact that that’s a dumb conclusion is my whole point. It shows that there must be a flaw in OP’s logic, and that “not having a use” is in fact a bad reason to do anything about BR.
This only is the case if you have specifically bought all those premium tanks
Eyeroll, so okay they aren’t premium then, they just have higher NORMAL SL modifiers in the tech tree. Much like the Pz IV J literally actually does in the real tech tree, versus the Pz IV H, for example.
Please try to limit objections that have such extremely obvious replies, it just wastes both our time for no reason.
This is like the 4th time I have to point out that the actual argument I’ve made is that the M26 is worse than other 6.7s and that it being “useless” is a consequence of that fact, and not the actual reason to change its BR. Stop making irrelevant straw-mans.
Okay so which part of the syllogism is incorrect, then? Syllogisms are tautologies, so you have to show a fault in one of the premises for it to not have been shown. You tried to attack the point (1), yet OP very plainly states it, so that was nonsense.
So are you then trying to attack (2) instead? “All the copy pastes having higher SL modifiers would cause the tech tree variant to have no use to you anymore.”? On what grounds?
All the copy pastes having higher SL modifiers would cause the tech tree variant to have no use to you anymore.
You are using an impossible scenario that will just never happen, which is untestable. So yeah, that is pretty just wrong.
Even in your example of the Pz.IV J and Pz.IV H, there is a massive flaw that is that the Pz.IV J is worse than the H, and actually makes up for it by having those better SL values.
And to be clear, if you are trying to argue that the OP simply misspoke and MEANT to say…
“because it’s worse” → “Should change BR”
…directly, then there would be a whole raft of other flaws in that instead. In that case, every single vehicle in every single BR bracket, that isn’t a literal copy paste, is ALWAYS some amount slightly better or worse than other vehicles in the same BR.
So by that logic, we should take 500 non-copy-paste vehicles and have 500 different BR steps then? Just because otherwise, one of them will always be worse by some amount than other things at its BR?
That would be equally absurd, for different reasons.
It was actually crucial that he included “has no use” in the middle there.
Hey remember when you said “premium or not does not matter for BR, actual tank performance does.” (and in context, you were talking about SL/the economy in general) ?
Yeah, and I agree that the Pz.IV H should be higher BR than the Pz.IV J, many people do in fact. It’s just that your argument stated that these two tanks were copy paste and the J had better multipliers, which is just not factual.
This really isn’t a “gotcha-moment”.
Yeah, and I agree that the Pz.IV H should be higher BR than the Pz.IV J
So do I. I was pointing out internal hypocrisy above, not saying it’s a good way to balance. But this means you should ALSO have agreed that it would be ridiculous to make the one copy/paste with the lowest SL modifier go down to 3.0 from 3.3 “to have a use”, just because of SL. Yet you curiously evaded agreeing to that.
…Which is why this just does not happen in game (except with premiums which is completely fair since you’re paying actual money to specifically have that advantage). Even in examples of copy paste vehicles in the same tech tree that do have lower SL modifiers, they compensate with lower repair cost.
Not at all…I posted the relevant excerpt in its entirety. My correcting a few typos years ago is irrelevant and you know it…you’re just desperately trying to hide your lies.
The only edit of any significance was your butchering of it by removing the context and commentary when you faked it.
Your claim was phony: you know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Quit spamming the forum here already.
As for anti-flanking: there’s no BS about it…both can be used well to counter flankers by forcing them into frontal engagements.
My tactics and understanding are simply far more advanced than your own, hence your confusion.
Perhaps in a few years you’ll learn enough to grasp what I understood years ago…or perhaps not.