The real bias
Anti-Britain Bias
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Feels less like a conspiracy and more like the truth.
Considering Australia and Canada have vehicle numbers in-game equal to or more than many sub-trees, which just makes it all that much clearer how bad the current treatment is. So bad, in fact, even Reddit has heard our dislike and has begun pushing back against splitting a nation, and that the place that goes “varints = C&P” even after going through 3 nations’ worth of modifications.
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Brits and Japs, although they where pretty close until after WW1… Hmmm I need to go get out the tin foil…
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That’s pretty damn cool to know TBH, it’s been a very long time since I’ve looked properly at the vehicles floating about in the game.
You and I both mate.
Technically they’ve got literally every other piece of aussie kit bar the AIM so it does make sense to be there.
There are about 20 Aussia vehicles, 19 of which are in the British tree.
There are nearly as many vehicles as entire subtrees yet they deny its addition for absolutely no reason.
There are more aussie vehicles than swiss in game for example yet switzerland is allowed ot be a sub tree yet Australia isn’t?
Hell there are 18 canadian vehicles as well cutting around.
Only 13 or so from the benelux tree as well.
A mere 23 south african vehicles in total, compared to the 40 odds nearly with hungary and such.
The list goes on of nonsense which they don’t justify, make up some BS excuse and just move on.
There’s only 7 indian vehicles in game last I checked as well which is ridiculous.
what about the aussie vampires and such? they should already be in Britain.
Also the CF100 and Cf105 where made when canada was apart of the british empire and what not so it would and should go to Britain as a designated place for them.
Same with the saber.
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Did they not already state they plan to add commonwealth kit to the British tree, hence the addition of the canadian F18 and such. I do distinctly remember that cropping up breifly on the thread a while ago about the addition of the sub trees to Isreal and what not.
Also why did china get the M1A2T if the british tree couldn’t get the AIM which the US also have a version of?
Well, news about it came a bit earlier than the Israel sub-tree stuff(that was the CM post for the update after) during the “commonwealth update” for the UK (Horents, Ram I, operator nations fixes, etc.). They dissolved the ZA line and made it the gun-only light line, well also making line 2 for Vickers/Export and Commonwealth MBTs. (Big reason why the ask for Canadian and ANZAC MBTs has had a renewed want over the last number of months, beyond just unhappy Canadian’s and Australian’s wanting to use their stuff together. Along with the fact India has at best 11.X options and even then I’ve seen stuff saying they don’t exist, so an MBT that is not a Challenger 2 can only come for those two)
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Probably to fit more Indian vehicles tbh not Canadian or Australian
Honestly I take that more as Gaijin trying to counteract the space issues that subtrees in general bring. Even with just South Africa it can be really hard to add new vehicles when British vehicles can only go in four of the lines (and sorted by type), while South African vehicles go in one line only that’s quickly filled.
Before the change there was already British vehicles in the South African line and iirc the other way around too. This change was pretty much just Gaijin seeing the corner they’re backing themselves into and trying to delay the inevitable for a short while longer.
Hopefully this means they’re looking into more permanent solutions now.
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Skink being added to the US was stupid anyway. Gaijin saw all the people pointing out the massive AA gap, and then took the lazy route when the US have like two dozen domestic options.
M4A5 isn’t so bad, they could relabel it as American and say it’s the test vehicle they received.
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100% the realization of the space issue was a big part of it. And made what had started to happen official, as ZA’s line was acting as the light line (before the change, 2 UK lights were added). Well, there was the 1 older TD and the SPAA in the SPAA line (but the SPAA thing happens to all sub-trees). But making line 2 for all non-UK-operated MBTs was new.
But it also happened in the same update where the UK got 3 Hronets and the Ram I, plus operator fixes that skyrocketed the number of Canadian and Australian things in the UK. And the Aussies got even more things in the updates to come.
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It would need to be changed into a Ram I as that was the one they tested, with the only Ram II they got post-war, which was a late model, and the few things I’ve seen, one that is that is was using the proper Ram II name. (and in that case, the name is still technically wrong, as the video proof of its testing called it “Canadian M3 medium tank”, with M4A5 showing up for the first time in a few documents long after testing was done)
edit: found the video I was thinking of (I really should save this somewhere)
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Aaaand
Gaijin decided to sell Premium Skink(US) with an American-ish designation with the WW2 Premium Pack… which was quite frustrating.
Also, I saw a few of the US Mains that use Skink(US) as ‘why we should stop adding c&p vehicles’
(Because they had their domestic options, as you know… or someone thinks it is an American vehicle because its hull was Grizzly, which was a licensed version of Sherman…)
Nearly nobody, except Gaijin, was happy about the addition of Skink(US) in the US TT
because they got T77A1 in the same update. :|
Perfect way of shaming and teabagging the Skink.
as much as they shaming CAN/AUS
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They said both that Britain would get Commonwealth stuff to bolster their lineups and that Australian and Canadian stuff can go wherever they deem fit
Neither one of those statements means that Britain would be the home for all future Commonwealth
In other words, they still haven’t ruled out that Aussie, Canadian and other Commonwealth stuff could end up in other trees, so we may or may not see more Aussie M1s in the US tree, more Canadian Leos in the German tree and other vehicles imported by Commonwealth nations in the export nations trees
The M1A2T is built for and operated by Taiwan, which is an integral part of the Chinese techtree
The M1A1 AIM on the other hand wasn’t built for any nation specifically and Australia isn’t a subtree of Britain
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The main reason they re-arranged the TT was to tidy it up and to make columns more distinct
Making room for more vehicles is a result of that and the room will likely be used to add vehicles built and/or operated by Britain, India and South Africa. There is a chance that the room will also be used for non-subtree vehicles, but I sincerely hope that such vehicles don’t end up being export vehicles from other trees.
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Also keep in mind some commonwealth nations are already subtrees. Pakistan is with China, Malaysia is with Japan, Cyprus is with Israel and Singapore is another nation that will be split, but is already confirmed to at least get some vehicles in the Israeli tree.
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The real issue is we don’t know what Gaijin meant be commonwealth.
The community seems to think a commonwealth tree would be Canada + ANZACs + ZA + India. Well ignoring the many issues with that and the other commonwealth nations that have notable equipment being not considered.
But on the other hand Gaijin could easily have thought of the commonwealth as the full 56-ish nations, which is also the same reason why a “commonwealth tree” is a bad idea. As we have seen “More nations = More C&P” hence why small nation group like CANZ or BeNeLux where some C&P is needed but there is still need for unique vehicles. Over adding a bunch of nations to a two nation grouping just so every vehicle is “unique” when even the in-game majors have C&P. Often overlooking the fact that tree would end having more C&P in game as their is more sources for it
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Why not make commonwealth rather than nations which are apart of the larger commonwealth of nations.
Make it the commonwealth realms, which makes more senese.
they literally stated that they would get it to bolster them
Whilst this is ongoing, you seem to be unaware of the difference between Canada, Australia, NZ and India and South Africa.
South Africa was / is a commonwealth member, Australia and Canada are commonwealth realms
Same as NZ which is why they are very close military wise. And will actively go to war to defend one another etc.
No one wants that’ we want commonwealth realms over random commonwealht nations.
Let me write more when I can mate-
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They didn’t say that the vehicles would be Australian or Canadian specifically.
They said it would be vehicles from Commonwealth nations in general.
They didn’t state Commonwealth Realms either, just Commonwealth.
I want that. I’d prefer some Chinese vehicles from a random Commonwealth member than US and German equipment bought by Australia and Canada.
We already have India, so Gaijin might as well go all-in on the redfor equipment.
Nigerian operated JF-17s, ST-1s and VT-4s
Zambian JL-7s and JL-10s
Ugandan Type 85-II-Ms
Tanzanian VT-2s, Type 59Gs and FT-7
Domestic Australian (Avon Sabre, CAC Kangaroo, AC tanks, Humber Hornet) and Canadian (Canuck, Arrow) are one thing, but keep those Leopards, M1s, F-5/101/104s away.
India was such a shabby addition to Britain, theres literally no military connection between the two nations bar the private venture of vickers.
It made no sense to add them as a sub tree.
I don’t want chinese vehicles in the British tree, it makes no sense lol.
At least makes more than India.
Ah yes so Britains gonna be on tbe backfoot for ever then.
We did trial the M1A1 or M1A2 cant remember what iteration it was so could get that.
The canadians lavs etc should go to britain too.
We also have none of the SA jets which could og helped a lot such as their mirages, or cheetah
As well as the variants of the olifants which we are missing, or the proper set up chieftains aka the mk11, the MK900 not just the 900, the proper rounds etc.
My point as well also stands, every aussie vehicle bar the AIM was added to the British tree.