Planned Battle Rating changes (table updated 04.08.2023)

I think that you should give the T95E1 a stabilizer if it is getting moved up and increase the fire rate of the T95E1, M60 AOS, M60A1 Rise (P), And M60A3 TTS.

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I don’t understand why some italians are up tier, they are also not better.
Dardo, VCC-80/30 are poor against modern MBT. If they are 10.0, its trash play against 11.0 MBT with because of the gun and poor occasion to use missiles.
C13 T90 is good to 6.7, because it’s a weak tank with not strong HEAT shells.
M113A1 (TOW) same, because tanks in general at 10.0 have armor against the TOW missile; or add tandem missile to all TOW tanks?

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The leopard should not to to 8.0 since it will face a lot of tanks that are stabilized. 7.7 would be better. The german and soviet bmp-1 should also not go to 8.0 for the same reason and they are not as good as the chinese bmp-1

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Comparing this feedback thread with previous ones shows that the decrease of fun whilst playing the game comes along with a decrease of reading comprehension (“feedback to BR changes” and not “casual chat contest”) and post quality in general.

A lot of players have posted detailed and high quality feedback, but the majority of posts are not really part of a BR change feedback. As long as “real” feedback is not given and replaced by stuff that belongs in PMs or in the General discussion part of the forum, reading this thread is an absolute pain…

Edit: Flagged as off topic - lmao - the majority of this thread is off topic. Reminding others what the topic is can’t be off topic by definition…

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Wiesel 1A4 should not go to 7.3, it should stay at 7.0.

For MBT, if it has a Laser rangefinder and thermal , it will be a great improvement.

However, the Wiesel 1A4 is just an SPAA vehicle with just a 66mm penetration. The Laser rangefinder and thermal will not be very helpful to the Wiesel 1A4. Apart from the laser rangefinder and thermal, it is basically a more mobile SUB-I-II (BR 5.3). However, thermal cannot bring essential improvements to it, as there is currently no night battle. The effect of the Laser rangefinder is also very limited on its only 66 mm penetration cannon.

Although some people may say that thermal imaging is helpful for scout, we know that scout has never played a significant role in determining the wining of a game. If scout is so important, then 7.0 Germany’s win rate would be high, but in reality, the effectiveness of Wiesel 1A4 scout on the entire team is clearly limited. Therefore, the help of thermal for Wiesel 1A4 is very limited. And most games around BR 7.0 are small maps that do not require thermal to easily detect enemies.

It is more appropriate to remove the thermal and laser rangefinder of Wiesel 1A4 and down it to 6.x br.

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there’s no reason for them to stay at 7.7 when nearly every vehicle get a br raise.

corrected: there’s no reason for them to stay at 7.7 when nearly every SPAA at br 8.0 get a br raise.

i dont like that, soviets units is buffed but brits have bigest problems. if i compared brits MBT 8.0-8.7 with other nations, brits have worst reload time, worst ammo, and higher repair cost.

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There are still some FR tanks at 6.7 that should go up as FIAT, AUBL and C13, not only the EBR but also the other French light tank should go up.

the amx 13? absolutely not and the ebr is fine fighting tiger 2s its not nearly as op as it used to be

@Stona_WT hey, you forget to delete Re.2005 changes from the table ;)

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CL-13A Mk.5 is really fine at its BR because of its performance.

It has better engine from F-25 Sabre/F-30 Sabre that is 8.7BR jets also, better engines makes it to compete on equal terms with 9.0 BR jet such as the MiG-17 and F-2 Sabre even it doesn’t have any missiles. If you are having a hard time dealing with aircraft like the MiG-17 in the CL-13A Mk.5, I have to say you have a massive skill issue.

Also, F-86K has a better top speed than the CL-13A Mk.5 because of the afterburner, and the M24 20mm cannons is not as good as the T-160, but now that RealShatter has been fixed, it is not as bad.

It would be able to stay at 9.0 BR even if it lost its missiles.

…especially AMX 13, also Char 25 and ELC have to go up.

the changes are to decompress the br. It is the users who requested the separation between late WWII tanks and Cold War tanks armed with HEFS . well here you are satisfied. was in the roadmap.

however decompressing below have compressed above, so all br should go up, now it’s compressed above br 10.0.

they fit non of the reasons of the vehicles going up the reason most others are going is heat, apds, and stabs which non of these tanks have and elc bis is god awful and the char can barely fight 8.3s you think it can fight 8.7s? with 200mm aphe

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2S38: 10.0 → 10.3
Still one of the best light tanks around with great optics, gum handling, anti tank and anti air capabilities.

2S25M: 10.0 → 10.3
Excellent mobility, excellent optics, 530mm pen, autoloader
How is it still same BR as the TAM 2C which is slower and has a much worse gun?

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How is this can be considered decompressing without total BR increase up to 12.0? I don’t understand.
Not only new 9.3 vehicles gonna suffer against 10.3 premium spam but also some poorly performing vehicles (BRENUS and B2, M60A2 and M551, some M113 ATGM carriers, just to name a few) will be completely useless since now they will now exclusively face higher BR opponents.

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2s38 really is fine as is imo

I don’t understand this, all Gaijin has done is to move the compression upwards. It would make more sense to increase ground br to max out at 12.0 (to align with air) and decompress everything above ww2.

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I don’t know. I haven’t played them also, because they’re bad.

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SPz BMP-1, BMP-1, T-54 (1949) and Leopard I
7.7 will be a better place for them like the current Marder A1-

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Why is the T55AM-1 not getting a nerf? It sits now at 8.3 and moving it to 8.7 with all the others doesn’t nerf it almost at all. it should be at least 9.0 after this.
Su11 also needs to be at least 7.7, maybe even 8.0 since it has similar characteristics to the meteor that is at 8.0
Turm III should be 8.7
IS6 should be 7.7

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