Leopard 2 ‘Panzerbattalion 123’ is already in 10.3, raise the Turms and the Challenger 1 DS (Giving L26 as well) will establish a fixed battlerating for Premium MBT.
2S38 is more capable, perform better, more like HSTV-L (sitting at 11.3) and the vehicule is like gangrene with the bot issue.
All MBT/IFV/ATGM carriers are raise too, moving up Object 279 is just follow its placement arround the battlerating, facing the same vehicules. Darts still have diffcult to perce it.
All these changes do is bump up the area of br compression to 8.7 to 9.7, it doesn’t fix the problem, it only moves it, you need to add .7 br to the top tier tanks in order for this to actually work
I see you guys added Warrior to get uptiered a bit, again, can we get the useless HE rounds out of the default belt for it akin to other IFVs? It makes the 80 RPM more like a 40 RPM gun when you have the default belt equiped, or at least add the ability to unlock an AP belt.
I highly disagree with the planned change for the Z-19E and Z19 and in some part for the Z-9WA. Those helicopters are I guess to be considered for up tier because of the TY-90 missile. However, this is the only advantage of that helicopter. The AGMs are sub-par compared to alternatives mostly lacking range and damage. The Z-19E for example is currently at 11.0 BR and is sharing this BR together with the KA-50. The KA-50 is the superior helicopter. I get to fight those all the time in my Z-19E. Besides, the fact that they outrange and outspeed me with the Vikhir missiles they also have that IRCM which somehow works even though the TY-90 is supposed to have eccm (which does not work) and they drop a metric ton of flares automatically every time you fire a heatseeker at them (if you actually manage to get a lock over the IRCM). It takes a lot of dedication and skill to beat a KA-50 and if the opponent is skilled you don’t stand a chance. And yet you suggest moving the Z19s up and leaving the KA-50 untouched??? I do agree to the up BR of the Z-19s, but only if both Kamovs go up to max BR. The fact that those vikhirs are so powerful and can’t be countered except for maybe the Pantsir, which is coincidentally in the same nation is reason enough for that. Furthermore, I thought IRL Vikhirs need to be selected for ground or air duty or set to those prior to taking off, why are they dual functionality in War Thunder? Sadly many noobs play the Kamovs and thus the statistics that you rely on will never show the true potential of this vehicle.
To summarize: Only move the Z-19s up when the Ka-50 goes up too, higher than the Z-19s! If the Ka-50 is untouched, go down with the Z-19s to 10.7 as you originally showed in those sheets. I was actually happy with that change, before you changed it to 11.3.
Type 16 FPS should get the Type 93 round if its going up to 9.0
Just saw the c13 T90 is going up from 6.7 to 7.0 even though it’s a terrible tank, or light tank.
Well,
a lot of deserved BR changes are in there. But as for the Chinese M60 TTS I dont really see the point in moving it to 9.0 to the same BR where the CM11 is sitting, while the CM is better in every way compared to the M60. Even in the current state the M60 is on the weaker side compared to the other 8.7 chinese Mediums. When getting moved to 9.0 the tank should receive a better starting shell, an APFSDS at Rank 1 and a better reload. I would even suggest to remove the thermals on the M60 TTS to keep it on 8.7 with a slightly improved reload rate
Wow, the latest rounds of additions are really staggering. C13, arguably one of, if not the worst tank in the game going up? Merkava 3’s continuing to be banished to the shadow realm even deeper, a widening gap in US top tier, while the 2S38/TURMS/Moderna horde is left unchecked.
Oh well, at least the Raketenautomat is getting a bigger increase.
I do not think the M1A1 nor the IPM1 should go up in BR, I think the better solution would be to remove M900 from the IPM1 leaving its top round M833 and remove M829A1 from the M1A1 leaving its top round as M829. You have to remember that a portion of the community were against giving these tanks these upgraded rounds back in the day. I still believe to this day, you guys jumped the gun by handing out OP rounds to “Band-Aid” the compression problem from back in the day. So please consider making this change instead of moving these tanks up in BR.
Also consider removing M829A2 from the M1A2 and leaving its top round as M829A1 and lowering its BR to 11.3. Currently the M1A2 Abrams is the only MBT without some form of gen 2 thermals at top BR.
I also think you should give the xm8 m900 and leapfrog it to 10.3-10.7 past the CCVL because it is the later production of the CCVL. No, I do not care that it loses its CCTV.
Also, I still believe you need to decompress ground BRs to match Air with 12.0 being the highest instead of 11.7.
Please downtier the kugelblitz to 6.7. It’s the highest ww2 vehicle germany has except the maus. It has no line up now and got nerfed many times. It should be 6.7 in rb
These BR changes are literally compressing the 9.0-9.7 BR range that got decompressed earlier this year.
Vehicles that are currently 9.0 will face vehicles like the Leo2A4s and M1 Abrams again. Vehicles that are currently 8.7 will face vehicles like the ZTZ96A, 2S38 and T72AV TURMS again.
This is not decompression, this is just pushing the problem at 6.0-6.7 up to 9.0-9.7. For proper decompression, all 10.0+ tanks must be considered too.
Jesus just because the T-90 is op at 10.7
Smoke grenades and HEATFS are reasons for a .7 BR gap. Those two are major differences.
I would move TURMS-T and 2S38 to 10.3 and please move PTL02 from rank 5 to rank 6 cuz it’s now rank 5 that would have 9.0 BR
Can i ask why you are Sabotaging ALL of the 7.7 Heavy Tanks Lineups?
You took all the decent supporting tank’s away from the M103 and Conqueror BOTH. HELL even the MAUS is losing its supporting tanks.
The damn 20 Pounder is already useless at 7.3. Now you expect us to use it at 7.7?
Atleast you COULD have had a decent tank when you died in a Conq before, Because 105 APDS could actually do some damage, NOW what?
Type 89 please fix.
Yeah put non stabs higher its already fun fighting 8.7 full stab and thermal guys in T-54
BMP1 in 8.0, leopard 1 in 8.0, ok
but how about XM1C in 9.0???
Ngl this idea on making change is great, the idea of not letting random cold war high tech bully ww2 tanks is gr8 - although some heavies are also changed, for the sake of balance i think its fully acceptable.
And it also fills the gap a bit, most games i’ve had with 10.0 tanks had been full uptiers and I’d love to see more tanks getting moved towards 10.0 to make this tier more live.
Overall, great job! Despite some individual tanks being arguable I think the overall idea is perfect. I’d also love to see some more plane BR changes if possible, to make things more interesting.
Edit: Forgot to mention but I really hope Gaijin can put some extra AAs as choices for the late ww2 brs, for example, the repeatedly nerfed kugelblitz can perhaps be moved back to 6.7? Or even just some new AAs as a whole, even if its new premium vehicles.