Planned Battle Rating changes (table updated 04.08.2023)

6.7 will still face 7.3… which the 7.3’s will now be 7.7’s…

6.7’s will still struggle with 7.3’s just as bad as they use to, there is just now less “machines” that they need to deal with at a full uptier.

I’m betting money on this with my friends already. it just means playing the new 7.7’s is going to be way worse due to the gap of tanks at 7.3. (previous 7.0)

In Sim The Mystere IVA shouldn’t be in 8.7, that means that it can fight mig19’s, F104’s, J35A’s and so on in the 8.7-9.7 rooms.

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AIM-9B and AIM-9E doesn’t have huge difference in performance to begin with.
Also, top speed is still what makes the difference between a vehicle being good or not in 9.0BR-7.0BR, just as old top tier games were.

One of the reasons the F4D is pretty decent in the current meta is that it has a pretty good top speed, and if the F-100 were changed to a 9.0 BR in the current meta, other aircraft would literally be untouchable against the F-100.

How can Hunter F.1 and J34 beat against F-100? Nothing…
How can Super Mistere B2 beat against F-100? Nothing…
How can F-86K beat against F-100? Nothing…

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there is a little mistake on Z-19 helis BR

They are 11.0 already ingame

@Stona_WT

hahahahah sooooo typical!
Alot of vehicles get BR increase. . . .
But if Russia gets BR increase - they must also have a buff to fire rate to compensate for the BR increase…
What a joke.

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Not a good idea:
Leopard I 7.3 8.0 7.3 8.0
T-54 (1949) 7.3 8.0 7.3 8.0
HMS Invincible 6.3 6.0 6.3 6.0
HMS Dreadnought 6.3 6.0 6.3 6.0
Type K-7 No.4 2.7 3.0 2.7 3.0

Good:
HMS Kent 6.0 5.7 6.0 5.7

  1. One of the saddest vehicle in the game, T95E1 moved up along with other 8.0 with no RoF change at all. This thing is in no way as competitive as T-55A (no stabilizer, horrible after pen damage, cramped crew layout), plus T-55A got the fire rate buff that T95E1 does not deserve.
    Suggestion: T95E1 either remain 8.0 and/or RoF increase to 9 shots/minute + overhaul of low caliber APFSDS to make its damage more consistent. (Or just implement the stabilized T95 and buff the fire rate)
  2. Another sad vehicle, AMX-30B2. It was one of the worst 8.3 vehicle with no stabilizer and awful suspension, making its playstyle to be completely defensive and extra vulnerable in close quarter combat. Thermal (gen 1) + APFSDS won’t make up for lack of stabilizer in tier 6 battles, otherwise M41D would be placed at 8.3 as well.
    Suggestion: AMX-30B2 remain 8.3
  3. Moving F-8E(FN) to 10.0 is a decent move but still not enough to make it playable. Lack of countermeasure and RWR, terrible grind for Magic missile is critical (we are talking about 10.0 filled with premiums armed with all-aspect AIM-9L and R-60M).
    Suggestion: Add F-8P modification as tier 1 modification (which grants new SHERLOC RWR), and adjust the sequence of modification research, making Magic 1 AAM as tier 3 modification (if not tier 2).
  4. SIDAM 25 (Mistral) should be lowered to 9.0 for lacking search radar, no thermal sight (not even a night vision), poor ammo capacity and limited anti-armor measure. It’s really absurd that PZG04A (Gen 2 thermal, search radar & AP belts) and SANTAL (Gen 1 thermal, same missile but with a search radar) could sit one BR lower than SIDAM Mistral for such a long time. The same argument could be applied to regular SIDAM 25 as well, 8.3 is horribly inflated for it (and after this BR change it would stay the same BR as Gepard, seriously?).
    Suggestion: SIDAM 25 (Mistral) 9.7 →9.0, SIDAM 25 8.3 → 8.0
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Why? The challenger DS is literally better than Challenger mk.2? Same br but a prem

Across the board GV nerf, as expected.

I’d be 100% fine with most of these changes if it weren’t for you still not having fixed APDS. For the love of god, 1 in 15 rounds just fails for no fault of my own, it still behaves more like a bug than anything, shattering at lower speeds? That’s not how shattering works. So don’t expect me to use Brit 7.3 line-ups I’m already avoiding after you move it up to 7.7.

Also 100mm reload speed buff? That’s not warranted at all, I’m also very sceptical it’s realistic at all considering the previous reload speed came from the manual itself. 8 shots per minute is identical to M48s in game reload speed and let me remind you:
T-54/55: Bigger rounds, Left hand loader, fairly cramped tank.
M48s: Smaller rounds, Right hand loader relatively spacious tank.
M48s should have a MAJOR advantage in reload speed. Not an identical one.
For some bizarre reason also T-54s first stage ammo is 20rds, so that incudes a lot of rounds on the hull walls and even those besides the driver? Besides the realistic first stage being more accessible for M48 than T-54.

We even KNOW that M48s reload speed is too slow in game because footage from here.

You will observe at the 3:12 marker a shot is fired, followed by a second one exactly 6.105 seconds later (worked out using my video editor), which is considerably better than the in game ACED reload speed of 7.5 seconds. 20pr armed Centurion also seems to suffer a slightly slower reload than the footage we have suggests but that at least won’t be as bad as being on par with the T-54s.
So my point is, this 100mm reload may be ahistorical, but if it truly is historical other reloads should be inspected, particularly the American 90mm in the Pattons. Also if it is historical a source would have been nice.

Also what is the point of a 1949 model T-54 if it has mid 60s ammo? HEAT-FS is 1963, APDS is 1966. There should be one T-54 with HEAT but without APDS, 100mm APDS is actually quite rare as it was replaced quickly with dart. APDS is much more of a NATO thing. I think this would be good for balance and variety for the T-54, the late one (1951) can have the full suite of ammo (minus dart), the 1949 can feel balanced mainly relying on APCBC but with HEAT-FS for tough targets, while the 1947 prototype has the older ammo.

ALSO unrelated but you really need to look at ready rack replenishment time, 25s on Vickers Mk7, Challenger 1s and 2s, and a similar time for T54E1 is insane, it makes the tanks very frustrating to use. Either shorten them to be more logical, (I mean 4x more than the gun reload really?), or add a mechanic where you can stop the tank and get the whole crew involved in the replenishment, wherein it is much quicker.

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if HMS invincible can go 6.0, such as SMS Westfalen should go 6.0 too!

Why move up the LEO 2 AV? Leo 2A4 is far better at only .3 BR difference?

Guys, really, if you’re just gonna leave max BR on 11.7 it’s not gonna make any sense. Decompression of 6.7-7.0 is making 9.0 suffer.
For example - AMX-30 Super, which have 360mm APFSDS flat pen, no commander’s sight and i much more slower than any Leopard 2AX is gonna face practically all Leopards 2A4/Strv 122. That’s just bad.
Also the situation of all 8.7 moving to 9.0, that gonna face Turms, 2S38 and CV90105, where they’re gonna be just out-gunned or out-runned on up-tier.
Good thing you wanna move up with your roadmap but it will eventually destroy the 9.0 bracket, making players that play for free or those who bought premium tanks on that BR suffer even more

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The VBCI should receive the same treatment as the CV9030FIN/PUMA/VCC-80-30 who got the HEI-T removed for their default belt , it would make it usable as emergency swap whenever the darts belt run out and need to reload or whenever fighting really light armored vehicle and needing the extra damage the APDS does compared to APFSDS.

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It takes time, and the information they gather after this change will help them decompress faster in the future.
Patience is a virtue, sir.
& stop insulting people just cause they call a duck a duck.

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Typ 16 FPS Prem and Typ 16 from TT are same, id suggest FPS need move to 9.3 aswell and give top round

You guys give M900 for Wolfpack but not Typ 16 FPS top round…

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The T32 should go back to 7.0 and the T32E1 should be 7.3. I don’t care that German mains want Tiger IIs to be invincible. The T32E1 will still fight vehicles it can’t scratch. It still has to deal with heavily nerfed ammunition. It still has to deal with a long reload. None of that was fixed with this patch.

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So, why is Raketenautomat go up only 7.7 and not 8.0 like Swedish USH does? I would say that Raketenautomat is even better then USH, maybe it isn’t as fast but it is more armored , have more crew so it doesn’t die when .50cal sneeze on it and is has double the amount of ammo…so please…move it up to 8.0 also.

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vehicles that went up, in a past change, they should also go up from 10.0 upwards and thus put the BR 12.0.
If the BRs do not go up from 10.0 onwards, we will have the same problem we had.

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Basically the current proposed change is to lighten 6.3 to 7.7 rating, so the majority of vehicles between 7.0 to 9.7 go up by 0.3/0.4 in battlerating. This change is wanted by the communauty to decompress late WW2/post WW2 vehicule with Cold War ( It’s a separation for the vehicles with chemical shells ; hwat-fs/apfsds. Omitted that you see less see of M48 and some ATGM carrier, what you’re facing in the battle remains the same vehicles, without any real impact for your AMX-30b ).

@Stona_WT is that normal for all M48 aren’t moving up (7.3 -­­> 7.7 like Centurion mk3) ? Same about M47 (105mm), the M47 Standard could saty 7.3 like the M46 at 7.0

Also :

  • Object 120 need to be 8.0 with its APFSDS.
  • ATGM vehicule aren’t impacted by the Battlerating change ( like AFT9, It-1, HOT missille vehicule, etc. IFV are raise, but not anti-tank missile carrier ? )
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