Dude, 60 normal calibre cms is bad
It’s usable sure, but there’s an accepted bug report that shows the MiG-29M is supposed to have 120
On different launchers
Note the distinct lack of cm dispensers at the root of each vertical stab
thats what i was saying
Put like that, it’s worse, but it could be a J-15 or an F-16AM
What I was saying is that it’s reasonable
**Vehicle:**Char 25t
**Gamemode:**Ground Realistic
**BR Change:**8.0 —> 7.7 / 7.3
**Reason:**Underperforming light tank. Fast but very poor acceleration. Good shell but with low pen. Literally M18 would perform the same as char when uptiered.
Unlike J-15
The MiG-29M has a very good proof that it can take more
So honestly it should get more
If there are sources why not
is there a bug report for both planes if not please stop saying it should have the +60 countermasures
Are we seriously leaving JF-17 and F-2A ADTW at 13.3 and 13.0 in Air Sim? They owned their BR befeore, and now you are just removing their strongest competition, like F-16A ADF, Su-34, and all of the Su-30s for JF-17 and Kfir C.10, F-4F KWS and JA37DI for F-2A ADTW? Hello? Surely nothing will go wrong I guess.
Whether or not there are more than 60 countermeasures, it does not alter the fact that the BR 14.0 is not a bad
If you would have read my post, I was refering about the profil of the tanks.
You will never tank a shell while looking straight at a target at this BR with this tank. Turret can be penetrated frontally with pretty much any APFSDS of 50mm+ caliber. If the caliber actually didn’t pen the cheeks, there is no tank that have such a little caliber with no reload, so a second one anywhere near the breech with destroy you. There is absoluetely no moent in a game where you shoot each other in the very same time, both did no damage to each other, and keep looking at each other.
As I said, any shell going trough the TKX(P) will either be a mobility kill, turret basket and probably a one shot.
So yes, turret rotation is actually important. Not only the reload. As well as mobility and everything, but that’s just plastic to you.
It’s not CS:GO here, add the average .25s reaction speed of a human, if you count another .25s for the aiming when on target, that’s .5s left for the turret roation, aka 15° of rotation, with aced crew on a TKX(P).
Plastic 15° just for you
if it gets more countermasures i would have any problem playing it at 14.3 but dont forget that the su27 sm has 8x r77s and 4 r73s while having 96 large countermasures at the same exact Br as the mig29m
Let’s wait and see
wait and see what?
I mean, it’s at the same br as the Su-27SM with nothing realistically making it even comparable to it (not like flanker should be 14.3 anyways)
if the MiG-29M is fitted with additional countermeasures
Yes, actually, the Su-27SM could be 14.3
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it will likely be fitted with additional countermasures in future becouse the bug report was accepted but we dont know if this update or in 2 yrs from now
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/8eMs8UUKvpjo
@Stona_WT Will there be a chance that this bug report ever gets applied? Considering the br changes I think the MiG-29M would really need this buff.
Same br as MICA mirage with 60 standard CMs is uh, sub-optimal
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A-5C change should be reverted. This plane already struggles at current BR