important note is that the bmp1’s atgm speed increases a lot between the stock atgm (140m/s) and the upgraded one (248m/s), the chinese one actually gets a little slower. (from 140m/s down to 130m/s)
but if im being real i dont think any of the bmp1s needed to move down, they’re a lot of fun and i find them to be pretty strong once you get used to aiming the main gun.
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Some changes are nice like prem su30s or f3h2. But I dont get the point of compressing pre top tier fighters in grb. In this br wave and in previous one. Tram at same br as su33, this makes no sense at all.
Also a10c. It was in horrid position already but you decided to cave its skull in by essentially placing it at same br (12.3) as s1 and other former 12.0 aa (12.3 now). Have you ever played it in grb?
A4e… Well, just need to wait for blufor hong weibins explaining its not op and deserves 9.3.
Also curious how aa at higher tiers jumps only 1 step up while planes can jump up to 2 steps. In some cases its deserved but again, a10c, are you for real?
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Exactly this
J-15T should stay at 14,7 imo, its potential is limited by low ammount of countermeasures and lower speed then EF-2000 and Rafale
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Tram is set at 11.0 for base, isn’t it 10.7 right now? So it should be 11.3, unless a full up tier was meant?
Don’t think the CA-27s or the F3H should go up
But thank god they’re adding the gunpods to F-102A
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It essentially will be at equivalent of current 11.3, at same br as tor.
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Those planes should all be 13.0. 4th gen (or just great flight performance)+IRCCM should mean 13.0 in all but the most extreme cases.
Especially since their radar was buffed not long ago, their only drawback against most of the other current 13.7’s is now much less relevant.
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Vehicle: ADATS
Gamemode: Ground Realistic
BR Change: stay at 11.7
Reason: It sits at a BR way too close to the Pantsir (12.0) despite being way worse at every single aspect. It has zero situational awareness, only has search radar, and IRST lock that struggle to track target if they are too far or in clouds. Now that decompression is taking place, it should stay at 11.7 and not move up to be right under Pantsir.
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USA
UH-1C/ UH1C XM-30
Ground Realistic
8.7 → 8.7
Absolutely no reason for these to go to 9.3. TOWs aren’t even good for 8.7. Much like the other low tier choppers, UH-1Cs are just SL pinatas.
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Vehicle BMP-1 (USSR, Germany), ZBD86
BR change - 8.0 → 7.7
And once again Gaijin attempts to sneak Russian Bias into the balance changes. There’s absolutely ZERO reason for the BMP-1s (and the Chinese variant) to go below 8.0, in fact in my opinion they should go to 8.3. I spaded the USSR and the German one, they are extremely effective with both a stable ATGM and a quick-firing 73mm HEAT cannon.
I beg of you people, protest against this change, don’t let poor 6.7 tanks face this bias machine!
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Vehicle: Su-30MK2 and Su-30MKM
Game Mode: Air Realistic
BR Change: 13.7 → 14.0
Reason: These two aircraft are currently at the wrong Battle Rating (BR). In effect, both aircraft are similar to the Su-27SM; while they have slightly degraded flight performance—which has a negligible impact on their overall combat effectiveness—they also lack two of the R-77 missiles found on the Su-27SM.
Nevertheless, both aircraft carry an air-to-air loadout comparable to other 14.0 BR jets, including options such as 6x R-77s, 6x PL-12s, 4x R-73s, or 6x R-27ER/ET missiles.
The quantity and quality of this weaponry are on par with other 14.0 BR aircraft—such as the aforementioned Su-27SM—and are just as effective in combat. Furthermore, the radar systems on both Su-30 variants offer sufficient performance and target-detection capabilities for gameplay at the 14.0 BR level.
I believe the current BR placement is highly unfair; these aircraft should not be facing jets with a BR of 12.7. It is simply an unbalanced distribution.
These two premium Su-30 variants lack any significant, inherent drawbacks that would justify keeping them at 13.7 following the recent BR adjustments. It is one thing to have a MiG-29SMT or an F-16ADF at a 13.7 Battle Rating; both of these aircraft have significant drawbacks. The MiG-29SMT suffers from high fuel consumption, a mediocre flight model, and a limited loadout of only 6 missiles—forcing a choice between, for example, 6 R-77s or a mix of 4 R-77s and 2 R-27ERs. The F-16ADF, meanwhile, is limited to just 45 countermeasures, lacks a helmet-mounted display (HMD) for targeting, and carries only 6 AIM-120A missiles.
In contrast, the Su-30MK2 and Su-30MKM have virtually no downsides; they possess everything, and there is never a situation where the pilot is forced to make a compromise. I believe this is unfair to other players—these two Su-30 variants are 14.0 BR aircraft, and they simply do not belong in the same tier as the MiG-29SMT and F-16ADF or other similar jets.
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+1
If it’s equal to or better than many 13.0s, it deserves to be 13.0 (and hot take it being 12.7 is more egregarious than the Su-30s being 13.3).
the changes to both F-15E and F-16CM should be reduced by 1 BR step
and your spreadsheet fixed to reflect their actual current BR of 12.7
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the ratels look like they are way under tiered on paper, and i thought they would be busted, right up until i got to play them. the ratel hull really can be that bad and makes me feel like they are balanced when playing or fighting them.
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I don’t really understand the new br of the kfir c10, surely it has one of the best radar in the world but the derbys are not as good as most of fox3 and the airframe is kinda old. Appart from that, it s a really good balance changes, great work
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Great Britain
Wasp HAS.Mk.1
Ground Realistic
9.0 → 8.7
Already regarded as one of the worst helicopters before the BR changes. Absolutely baffled as to how Gajin thinks it should be 9.3.
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Vehicle: Object 279
Gamemode: Ground Realistic
BR Change: 9.0 —> 9.3
Reason: Very strong tank at 9.0, seems like you guys forgot to bring this thing up in BR alongside with the rest of 9.0
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6 AGM-65B and 700 km/h speed vs HQ-17 + flaRakRad