Mode : Ground Realistic Battles
Vehicle : Merkava Mk.1, Mk.1B, Mk.2B, Mk.2D
Change : 9.3 → 9.3, 9.7→9.7, 10.0→10.0(No change)
Reasoning : It is difficult to say that the Merkava Mk.1 to Mk.2D are currently set at a reasonable BR.
Compared to other nations’ tanks, they have slightly below-average manoeuvrability and clearly inferior defence (in terms of armour and the placement of various modules); furthermore, their firepower is merely average and is not sufficient to compensate for these shortcomings.
Maintaining their current BR would likely result in a reasonable BR.
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It’s hitrate is very good for 9.7, and even against a lot of 10.3 aircraft (especially considering most CAS are moving up in BR).
The damage output is not great but it usually cripples aircraft. It should definitely got to 10.3 if the other SPAAs are going up.
All of the 9.3 - 10.0 Merkavas are as good as their above average 9.3 - 10.0 counterparts, which are all moving up.
They have good enough mobility (especially the Merkava Mk.2B and Merkava Mk.2D), trolly turret armour, great gun handling, good enough rounds, and thermals + ESS.
The only one that I can somewhat agree with is the Merkava Mk.1 (since it only gets DM23 with mediocre mobility and no thermals + ESS) and maybe the Merkava Mk.1B (slightly better acceleration than the Merkava Mk.2B, but gets a much worse reverse speed). They could possibly stay at 9.3 and 9.7 respectively.
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i know that i am a bit late but one thing i don’t get it, why the USS Porter, USS Somers, USS Davis are moving down but not the USS Moffett even thou all this ships are almost totally identical.
In all honesty i am fine with their current BRs and don’t think this change is needed but if all the other are going lower on BR why not be consistent?
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All currently 13.3 SAMs
GRB 13.3→14.0
They are counterparts to planes not tanks, should match the BR of aircrafts
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If the t58 (US) is going to 9.0 it should at least be move to rank VI. It was introduced at a br of 8.3 and no other 9.0 prim tank is at rank 5 all are rank 6.
Just because some utubers think it can hander higher BR is no justification to move it any more higher it already faces tanks with stabs, dart rounds, fast tanks (not just the wheeled ones), thermals.
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Caunterpoint is a counter to full down tier plane so make all 12.3 14.0
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It should be 9.3 making everything 9.0 is avoiding to nerf this cancer then we can change to rank 6
Well if they do make it to 9.0 it should be moved up in rank to rank 6. No other 9.0 tank is rank 5 and even in rank 6 their are plenty of tanks that are at 8.3.
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You got the point
the t58 shouldn’t even be in the game period it’s an egregious misstep of game design. 2.5 second reload on a high caliber cannon is genuinely ridiculous on its own and then it also gets a HESH round that kills everything in one shot very easily and a HEAT round that’s solid in its own right for if that HESH round ever gets neutered. And it gets a rangefinder and, relative to the cannon, its mobility is extremely good. 7.7 is now (probably) way more playable because american 8.7 is now american 9.0 and the matchmaker won’t constantly be forcing uptiers into it.
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Thats not what im taking about dont change the subject. Its already in the game.
My point is if it get moved to 9.0 OR higher in the future it should be moved to rank 6.
m103 mobility good at 9.0 br and higher? what are you smoking ill have some too as your way up in the clouds not even the top AA’s can lock on you.
Range finder (bruh) like thats useful against laser ones. By the time the t58 gets its gun on target its already being shot at with tanks with stabs and fast firing darts such the the m300 and LT such as the VBCI.
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Those Chinese helicopters you mentioned are not moving in anywhere in ground battles. They are moving in air realistic battles due to helicopters being introduced into Nuclear Escalation. They’ve been assigned with battle ratings which are now archaic due to the fact that they’ve not been playable in air RB. And the TY-90 is what pretty much decides their BR because their air to ground weapons are in no way useful in NE due to their low range.
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“Checks stats”
“Sees that T58 is your third most played vehicle.”
Ah yes, you are surely concerned about balanced and totally not just mad that you are losing an easy mode stomping too.
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ZTZ-88’s have better mobility, better hull armor, better stab and better reload rate but yeah keep thinking T-62M-1 will be better for an increase of pen you will never feel or turret addon armor that will never stop anything.
At least im glad you finally see that T-55AM-1/AMD-1 are not outstanding tanks at their BR’s.
Renzo, come on. They should just nerf it’s reload and fix it’s turret face armor to not be a black hole.
Might be an easy button for him and a lot of other players - but he is right. It has no stab, it has no laser range finder, and it has the mobility of the m103. You cannot balance this thing based off of BR without fixing it’s actual issues - otherwise it ends up being actually useless and way overtiered where high skills sweats are the only one able to play it.
Those are valid points. The valid points worth bringing up in return are: it’s reload, it’s screwed up turret armor model, etc.
Skill baiting is an argument that always ends up toxic.
The issue should also be: Gaijins continued releasing of half baked vehicles, using reload as a blancing factor SOMETIMES but not doing so when it actually makes sense, etc.
Gaijin does stuff that creates toxic game experiences and then reactively offers BAD solutions which helps drive toxic forum experiences.
Edit: I’ll add that gaijin also does this intentionally to their own player base to make money and then after they’ve made it raises BRs which is changing the product/experience someone paid for.
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Ah yes the good old stats says it all. People who have no better argument always go "But look at the stats’. Well your stats are nothing to be impressed off.
Were did I say im against moving it up in BR? Learn to back read before typing next time eh?
All I said is if it moves to 9.0 and maybe more in the future it should be moved to rank 6.
Oh I don’t disagree with that. Something needs to be done about it. The most simple option would be an increase in BR, but a reload nerf and turret armor fix would be more sustainable overall.
I wouldn’t have actually gone for a skillbait if he made an actual argument like you just did.
If someone types the following text of course I’m going to suspect them of being a T58 player with an alternate agenda:
Implying that it’s only moving up because some youtubers, not because it’s just oppressive in it’s current form.
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Bro, chill. Your intellectual wellbeing is not actually under threat.
I just called renzo out, and I am calling you out. Read my comment - there are bugger issues here than skill and what tanks people like to play.
Let’s not kick the day off with more toxic forum comments? Sweat the small stuff.
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The range in 11.7 to 12.3 Air RB also needs some love
I am flying the Mig21 bison at 12.3 and it is almost unplayable on an up-tier.
looking at the matchmaker around there it is brutal even with some of the upcpming BR changes, i have been killed by aim120s in my mig 21 more times than i can count and even if things like the F-16XL go up to 13.3 then the Bison will still see Fox 3s from many jets like the F4F KWS and F4F AUP, and JA37
no idea how it will be done, but a fox 3 harn barrier may be nice, or maybe drop the bison to 12.0 as its radar / missle package wont be too crazy for 11.0 as the missle is not extreemly BVR capable nor is the R73e hard to flare off.