Removal of APDS the Flackpanzer will now have more pen and better armour than the Falcon, crazy
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All that you’re saying is proving a meaningless point. Even if you could prove the PL-12 is better than the AIM-120B or 120C, what would that prove? The disadvantages of the carrier aircraft cannot make up for such a minor advantage in the missile.
Even before APDS removal. Flakpanzer has a better shell. Less pen, but nuclear explosive mass.
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Oh boy, let’s see if the list updates today.
SURELY they listened to the community.
Surely
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If the argument is that the J10C should be lowered to 14.0, then it needs to be compared to 14.0s like the F16I for example, at which point I’d say the J10C is a lot stronger.
But true balance at top tier isn’t really possible with the current compression
I should insist in specially in this change. No reason for keep this monster in 6.7.
SU-122-54 need go to 7.0.
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SPYDER 12.7 → 12.0
The SPYDER is a very weak system with very short range missiles which have a very large minimum engagement distance. Even with the addition of I-Derby ER, its performance would still not be compareable to other systems as it will be an ARH missile with an even larger minimum engagement distance which provides launch warning to enemies and can be multipathed.
Vehicle: Spyder AIO
Gamemode: Ground Realistic
BR Change: 12.7 → 12.0
Reason: The Spyder AIO is currently being treated as a top tier SPAA when, in fact, it is performing in a much worse way than the other SPAAs at the same BR.
The missiles it fires are slow, have trouble hitting the target, often lose lock and have a shorter reach.
In addition, the platform itself is extremely limited compared to the multi-vehicle systems such as the SAMP/T or BUK. The Spyder AIO has only 8 missiles ready, which can be increased to 16 missiles if you acutally have the time to deploy the ammunition crate. Those other multi-vehicle platforms have 16 missiles ready to launch with another 16 to be resupplied. The launchers can also be hidden behind buildings, limiting the chance of discovery by the enemy. The Spyder, on the other hand, is limited to one huge system which can be easily spotted and destroyed. It simply isn’t reasonable to treat this SPAA as its other 12.7 counterparts.
(GRB) Spyder AIO 12.7 > 11.3 — Until 4x aesa radar, optical lock (with ability to slave/launch P5 without radar) and i-Derby ER being implemented, this is Tor-M1 level of spaa. If said problems gets solved, move Spyder back to a 12.7. Also fix overpressure through hitting radar. How comes Tor or S1 can tank hellfires but Spyder getting overpressured like there is no tomorrow?
Show me at least one spaa of this BR that can’t shoot down a plane flying straight past it from 4 km away, unaware of even being attacked.
(delete empty space in a link below to see the demonstration, couldnt properly paste the video)
www.youtube. com/watch?v=Bp-RRCGrlZ4
Sorry, I don’t know how to quote multiple users’ posts, but gaijin, you really need to do some what really proper game design work, lower spyder’s weight, it’s really completely unplayable.
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Won’t be today, it will get closed first and then usually be 2 to 3 days before being updated
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I really want to use high-information Chinese to deliver intense curses that other phonetic languages can’t achieve, but I still hold a final hope for you, gaijin, don’t disappoint your player
You stated 120 is better than pl-12
You ignored the agreement performance on that statement of I’m not wrong
It is an objective fact that the 120 is among the worst fox-3s in the game
I don’t want you using misinfo/cope to assist your argument
With regards to carrier
The ef2k (AESA) is the only one that can really negate the weakpoints of amraams
Just because one aircraft can make the missile “good” does it mean it actually is good overall
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Do you know that the developers have assigned the J-10C a higher drag coefficient at high altitudes and speeds than the F-15E and Su-27? Compared to the F-16I, the F-16I has a significant energy advantage, and its greater number of countermeasures gives it better survivability. Without energy, the J-10C cannot perform defensive maneuvers.
Which is a lot better. Every single degree of gun depression is noticeable
No. The AIM-120B and AIM-120C, when launched with the energy advantage provided by the Eurofighter Typhoon, can effectively suppress enemy fighters at high altitudes. Once suppression is achieved, they can then engage fighters at lower altitudes from a dominant high-altitude position. If we only discuss missile performance in isolation, I may have been overly critical of the PL-12. However, when combined with the performance of its carrier aircraft, using the PL-12 on the J-10C rarely delivers a satisfactory experience. The J-10C is almost entirely suppressed across all altitudes by platforms like the Typhoon, Rafale, and Su-30SM2.
Its been a day or two, wonder when they will show the final br changes? or any changes that have already went through (assuming any were changed).
The SU-122-54 should rather move to 6.3
The M24 like the M4A2 and Panzer 4G/H/J got moved to rank 2 to make grinding events with them harder so they likely won’t change it back.
The minor nation M24s aren’t played as much so they forgot about them.
Having actually played both. I would rather be in a J-10C than in an F-16I any day of the week.
Flight performance only gets you so far when you spend half the time going through ghost targets with an inconsistent mech radar when the J-10C has a much better radar and much better missiles for up close.
The F-16I doesn’t have the flight performance or missile count to effectively use the main strength of the AIM-120 anyway.
You can see here that this is mainly due to the airframe and defensive kit
Subpar airframe and low countermeasure count are what make the J-10C have a high skill floor and just unfun to play
I do hope the J-10C gets some airframe improvements soon
If you’re gonna move the Flagstaff down, move the Tucumcari down with it as they’re the same performance-wise.
Bro, the F-16I also has an AESA radar.