You see why i chuckled when i saw someone saying for the mig 23 to be moved down lol.
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iirc the 11.3 Hawk 200 RDA’s RWR can see J band, not that you really have the kinematic performance to do anything about it though…
Let me notch this missile real quick, oh it has iog and im sub sonic… oh im dead.
Also, watch this “dogfight” miss a target in a headon when fired from 4km because they no longer pull off rail lol.
Yeah lol.
That being said, I honestly think that an opposition to the F-15A/J/Baz being moved down deserves its own thread at some point to make the point clearer. Because while there is a pretty negative sentiment here and everyone agrees it’s an abysmal idea, it may end up getting buried. They need to decompress upwards further, not compensate by dumping the compression the other way.
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BMPTs ruin the gameplay, I agree. All you can do is watch another BMPT farm its way to a nuke. It’s boring.
That said, I’m trying to find a solution to make the T-80UD more competitive at 10.7, if it gets moved there anyway. A historically accurate thermal sight would be a good option, but then the question is what to do with the Chinese T-80UD/BE.
In my opinion, the 2S38 is a very situational vehicle. Staying unspotted while fast wheeled vehicles are rushing around the map is not always easy. Correct positioning and avoiding mistakes are extremely critical.
I humbly request you play the Sabredog and then tell me how it’s any more advantageous then the 8.7 Sabres. Because at the end of the day it isn’t. Similar overall speed, worse manueverability, and slightly better armament. Overall a worse plane at the same BR. It absolutely should go down. It’s not better than the MiG-17, which is 8.7, and it sits on par with the G.91 and Cl. 13 Mk. A which also are both 8.7.
The Meteor wouldn’t suffer with this thing being where it is; again, similar speeds to other 8.7 planes (like the Hunter F.1, Cl. 13 Mk 5A, MiG-17) and with worse manueverability but better armament. It makes no difference overall.
I wont get to play them for a long time unless gaijin has a competent thought for once and adds canada to the british tree (I cant bring myself to play with america mains, the average pilot is so trash dude) but it does seem fun.
its doing 0.9 mach at sea level?!?! the CL13 is just a canadair built sabre and the mig-17, well thats russian flight models.
all of those easily kill meteors as its too slow to handle a boom and zoom from anyone. the mk4 rips its own wings off in hard turns too so you always have to hold back a lot.
But thats the same with EVERY light tank, its not unique to the 2s38. The 2s38 can just keep firing and will eventually get a kill due to the decent apfsds it gets and aphe. Let alone its hevt and irst make killing it with cas a challenge other than with guided munitions.
The T80ud/be is a t80ud with thermals, literally the only difference i think. Do i think either should be facing 9.7, not really but thats just me apparently. Its like how the t72b3 is moving down to 11.3 just because the event one is going at 11.0 at gaijin needed a reason to put it that low lol. both could be 11.7.
Im gonna be honest, the sabre dog is worse than the f30 sabres simply due to the fact it requires a bnz playstyle which people just dont know how to utilise. It would basically play like a hunter at 8.7 just with 9bs.
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if its an initial production UD (from the first decade) it wont have thermals. Russia only started using thermals on mass in the 90s (most tanks and AFVs in russian service often dont still due to supply limitations)
im not sure why hunter F1 went down considering all the buffs hunters got in preparation for the swiss subtree so thats not helped the case IMO
A4B
8.7- 8.3
A4B is 100% worse than Scimitar at all, suppose anyone believes AGM12 is a good weapon, then Scimitar could take 4 agm12b, and also its speed and firepower are also much better than A4B, If firepower is so important, why 4 * 30mm guns = 2 * 20 guns at 8.7? when A4B takes gun pods, it will become hard to control like a bomber
I dont know, i fucking LOVE my isnotreal a4e. The scimitar is certainly good tho, prob better than the sabredog tbh.
Thats a spall bug thats inconsistent
The BMPT tanking side on shots with fill FCS and mobility is extremely consistent, and a feature
Why?
The side is extremely well armored since ERA is stupidly overpowered on russian tanks, especially modern relic armor fighting tanks from the 70s and 80s. All the crew is frontally facing and the ammo doesnt detonate, making the tank practically invincible
Not A4E, I mean only for A4B, that’s is too horrible, it only has 3 agm-12b, no AGM62 or AGM65
Thats why its 8.7 in ground and not 9.3? And compared to the scimitar in terms of cas, it gets countermeasures.
The scimitar F Mk. 1 being 8.7 is direct proof that the F-86K should be a lower BR. It’s faster at sea level then the Sabredog, gets ADENs, gets 4x 9Bs, and has similar manueverability.
I get you don’t want a British plane to struggle, but several British vehicles do the same thing for not British vehicles, like the Scimitar or Hunter F1 to the F-80C or MD 450 B etc. It simply isn’t fair to argue that the Sabredog should stay 9.0 because it affects 1 British plane.
Edit; plus, it’s not just one model at 8.7. if it were just the MiG-17 that was a problem, I’d say move the MiG-17 up instead. The problem is their is a host of planes that are similar in performance to the Sabredog at 8.7.
Some actual attention to WW2 Air BRs
(BR changes were made with only the fact that one of them would take place, also decompression would be 100% needed )
Gamemode: Air Realistic Battles
Vehicle/s: P-39 family
BR Change: 2.7 —> 3.0
Reason: outperforms, outpaces and outguns all 2.7 fighters
Vehicle: F6F-5N
BR Change: 4.3 —> 3.3 /3.7
Reason: An even heavier hellcat due to the pair of 20mils for a lost pair of 50cals and a radar that is useless in ARB.
Vehicle: F-82
BR Change: 5.3 —> 5.0
Reason: nerf really came for no reason, F-82 is just a boat like P-51, not even extra firepower, just firepower concentrated on the “nose” and maybe M3 50cals (1200RPM) instead of M2 50cals.
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Vehicle: P-63 C-5
BR Change: none
Reason: it looks ugly (imo) in yellow stripes, give it a camo.
**Vehicle:**Ju-88 A-1
BR Change: 2.0 —> 2.3
Reason: absurd payload and decent speed at a BR where good climbing interceptors are VERY rare
Vehicle: he-111h-3
BR Change: 2.0 —> 2.3
Reason: same as Ju-88 but a little slower and but 4 more incendiaries for lost 50s bombs.
Vehicle: Fw-190 A family except Fw-190 A-1
BR Change: - 0.3 BR
Reason: most of the family noticeably underperforms compared to other planes and is reduced to third party or complete ambushes. to earn kills.
Vehicle: Do-335 A-1
BR Change: +0.3 BR
Reason: Speed, climbrate, firepower and airspawn make an overly effective and oppresive combo. Only downside over Do-335 A-0 is lack of a 20mil modification, but it can carry bombs and be at a lower BR.
Vehicle: Ta-152 C-3
BR Change: 6.3 —> 5.7
Reason: literally only upside is firepower, it is super easy to catch, it doesn’t climb very well, it can’t turn or use flaps like it’s cousin the ta-152 h-1. Maybe it could have it’s airspawn removed to avoid too much chaos.
Vehicle: Me-262 A-1a
BR Change: 7.0 —> 6.7
Reason: A VERY RISKY BR REDUCTION, the base 262 could probably not be much of a threat if one tracks it position, easy to dodge cannons with practically 2 upsides: no control compression and speed. like any jet it will be outclimbed and completely dead at low speeds.
Vehicle: Me-163 B
BR Change: 8.0 —> 7.7 / 8.0 (w special airspawn)
Reason: the entire “rocket plane” class just needs an airspawn to avoid costly fuel takeoffs early on. Maybe like 50m above the runway would work.
Vehicle: Me-163 B-0
BR Change: 8.3 —> 8.0 / 8.3 (w special airspawn)
Reason: same as last me-163, but the unwieldy mk-108s replaced with 20mils is justifiable for a 0.3 increase over the Me-163 B.
Vehicle: Yak-2 KAAB
BR Change: 2.3 —> 2.7
Reason: suffers from poor payload but has a very capable flight performance and cannons to defend itself and even do offensive work.
Vehicles: Entire yak prop line BUT the Yak-3U (yak-1 at 2.3 to yak-9UT at 5.7)
BR Change: +0.3 BR
Reason: incredibly oppresive, even some of the least used aircraft of this line are competent and are opponents that are not joked with. they are made for low altitudes but a yak will secure the altitude advantage most of the time, and it won’t matter if a yak “dives” for you while you are at 5km or at 2km, a true major downside that can happen in battles in low rip speed and compression.
Vehicles: Yak-3U
BR Change: 5.7 —> 6.7
Reason: True low altitude menace, it is miles better than the La-9, except for armament but 2 nose mounted shvak cannons are still no joke.
Vehicle: BI
BR Change: 6.7 —> 7.7
Reason: you can’t defend this plane, “low rip speed”, what are you possibly doing with 100% throttle, buddy your enemy is a prop. They think “keep track of 2 numbers” is a hard task, it isn’t pal.
Vehicle: Pe-8
BR Change: 4.3 —> 4.0
Reason: A pe-8 rarely makes it to it’s bases and it’s defensive armament looks fierce but it has one major downside, it almost only covers the rear and those spread out turrets have convergence issues.
Vehicle: Beaufighter Mk VIc and Beaufighter Mk X
BR Change: 3.0 —> 2.7
Reason: they are more like early bf-110s but fatter, less payload and a lot more firepower
Vehicle: Beaufighter Mk 21
BR Change: 3.7 —> 3.0
Reason: M2s are a nice addition but + 0.7 BR for them is overkill.
Vehicle: Spitfire F Mk. IX
BR Change: 4.3 —> 4.7
Reason: it is incredibly oppresive. just no words
Vehicle: Wyvern S.4
BR Change: 4.7 —> 5.7
Reason: Absolute and complete smite from 4.7 because of: a turboprop which requires a dive from 2 km at least to catch; even if it’s crippled after 3km of altitude, a wyvern will climb very well and energy is energy and lastly; 4 hispano Mk.Vs with 1,200 rounds total and dopamine printing ballistics, a Wyvern player who doesn’t just rush a base and be insulted by a friendly bomber can easily turn said firepower and speed towards it’s enemies and become a nuisance not only by killing but if the wyvern is dumb it can also just, keep killing tickets, run away and hide.
if it keeps a smart attack run and doesn’t hold S.
Vehicle: spitfire F Mk.24
BR Change: 6.7 —> 7.0
Reason: im sorry but is just not fun to fight, if a major tip to most props planes is “keep yourself as far away from a spitfire mk.24” it’s time to check the BRs.
Vehicle: KI-44-I
BR Change: 2.7 —> 3.3
Reason: -0.7 BR for -2 50cals is not reasonable, even the KI-61 at 3.3 suffers the same 50cal loss. you have to consider the sheer performance of the KI-44-II makes it a monster at it’s BR, just imagine at 2.7.
Vehicles: all A6M5 family
BR Change: 5.0 and 5.3 —> 4.3 / 4.7
Reason: I feel bad for zeros, I see them chasing me for minutes just for 1 kill. they basically depend on pouncing a plane in a third party or a zoom climb.
Vehicle: J2M3 and J2M5
BR Change: 5.7 —> 5.3
Reason: +0.7 BR for 2 more 20mils is once again, overkill.
Vehicle: KI-200
BR Change: 8.3 —> 7.7 / 8.0 (w special airspawn)
Reason: it’s a me-163 B, literally, (“the entire “rocket plane” class just needs an airspawn to avoid costly fuel takeoffs early on. Maybe like 50m above the runway would work.” still applies here.)
Vehicle: C.202
BR Change: 3.0 —> 2.7
Reason: just 2 breda 50cals next to 7.7s at 3.0, you’d think of a killer performance, but it more in line with a 2.7 plane, it need LOTS of lead and lots of times
Vehicle: C.202 EC
BR Change: 4.0 —> 3.7
Reason: it is insane how overtiered this plane is, everyone will do circles around you, I believe it should be a siderade to the C.205(a plane focused on performance rather than armament) the C.202 EC is focused on firepower.
Vehicle: g.55 serie 1
BR Change: 5.0 —> 4.7
Reason: it only replaces 2 nose mounted 50cals for 2 wing mounted mg151/20 20mils, it is also a little heavier, but once again + 0.7 BR for 2 20mils is overkill.
Vehicle: g.56
BR Change: 6.3 —> 6.0
Reason: it is more on par with the Ta-152 h-1 but with a lots less chances vs most super props.
Vehicle: VB.10-02
BR Change: 4.7 —> 4.3
Reason: it should come down since the engine isn’t upgraded and 6 50cals make you feel their weight (and over BR). Those 50 cals are also the same as in the F6F, no full M20 API-T belt for them.
Vehicle: B-239
BR Change: 2.7 —> 3.0
Reason: even in the hand of a novice pilot, a B-239 is something to be wary of. climbrate, firepower and turntime, only downside is it’s slightly below average speed on a straight line.
Vehicle: Sakeen
BR Change: 3.3 —> 2.3 /2.7
Reason: just give up gaijin, it cannot be at 3.3, I know you want it to be rank IV, but just make a rank III or II and lower it. A very sad plane indeed.
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Plus 1 to the yacks, tells you alot when you get out ran on the deck by yacks quite often in the wyvern. That combined with kite like flight performance makes them demons to face.
Really, no change in SU-30MK2 and SU-30MKK BR? how is it possible GAIJIN keeping those planes at 13.3 with a lot of FOX-3 when they have the same radar of the SU-27SM (N001VE), at least the SU-30 MK2 has the same radar (N001VEP).
Plus it seems GAIJIN isn’t even planning to change the payload of the MiG-29A (9-13) to its historical payload now that F-15 are about to be down BRed to 12.7
Give the next option of payload to the MiG-29A (9-13):
- 6xR-73
- 4xR-73 + 2xR-27R/T
I’M LOSING HOPE IN YOU GAIJIN
This is not decompressing, this is a holy mess.
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