i beg you to play more of your AV-8C. please trust me on this its not very good outside of one single strat of orbital sidewinder
my only issue with sabres going down is that they wafflestomp ww2 generation jets. they can hardly take on higer mustangs and spits let alone sabres
The mig 15bis being 8.3 is bad enough. The f86k is simply sad and could be 8.7 easily but i think moving everything up would help alot more… Shame thatll never happen.
I mean, heres the thing.
Neither the F-104 nor the MiG-23 were supposed to fight Eagles or Flankers. You could argue that 11.7 would a be better fitting matchmaker for the ASA than 12.0
But against things that can run circles around both our aircraft in almost all domains we shouldn’t end up having to fight Eagles even more regularly (in your case) or at all (mine) compared to before
yes but everything below literally cant fight starfighters and flogger
Lmao, as if the rest wasn’t enough he is also a snitch.
Vehicle: JA37DI
Mode:AIR RB
BR Change: 13.0→13.0, add RB74M
Reason: worse radar and RWR than ICE Phantom and J8F, without IRCCM missile but same BR, Only 0.3 br higher We have 6PL12s and 4R73s monster
welcome to the cult i guess
yeah, neither should probably face an f15, but you know what shouldnt face a mig 23? a jag lol and many other 10.7s. the mig 23 can easily take on an f15 if they are smart. Cant go rushing bases and suffer from skill issue. Especially when the mig 23 is just flat out better than the asa lol.
My point isn’t really exclusive to the MiG-23 though. The F-111, A-10C and tech tree Tornados shouldnt have to be matched against the Baz or F-15A/J either
I understand this, but my point here is more it’s better at that then the F-86K.
I understand the concern behind the sabres moving down but this is really only asking for the Sabredog to go down. Although it’s got slightly better straightline speed and armament it’s turning is awful and has very poor high speed and low speed handling. I don’t think 8.7 would hurt much, not right now, as the Hunter F1 is also 8.7, and in a similar position although not perfectly so.
What we really need is decompression.
As this says, the position of a lot of other aircraft is a good suggestion that what we need is decompression, not a single BR change. But I can’t ask for decompression because that won’t get listened to. So for now, I’m asking for one I would argue fair change to make things slightly easier for my grind
Im not arguing the f15 should be moved down, the opposite actually. i just saw u saying the mig 23 needed to be moved down and had a chuckle is all lol.
Oh yeah lol true. Tbh i dont honestly think the ML going down would do any good but it was more of a “Whaat? If theyre gonna make our lives worse they should find a way to compensate for it” kinda thing lmao
Just recently played a few games on T-80UD and 2S38. That was “awesome” experience.
About T-80UD:
Every player seems to consider it their duty to shoot at the barrel or breech from any distance, at any speed, even with 30mm guns. Almost always, the commander or gunner is dead after the first hit.
On top of that, there are a lot of super-fast wheeled light tanks that break timings and outflank easily. I’m not talking about Rooikats from 9.3 with DM33.
Most maps I played were open and hilly, where every hill and stone is a danger. The T-80UD’s speed isn’t enough to reach a good position faster than Leopards, Abrams, Leopards, especially on large maps.
If nearby allies die, the tank is basically doomed. It can be instantly outflanked, and with its low reverse speed and slow turret rotation, retreating is nearly impossible.
Mobility isnt the worst, but is clearly inferior to western MBTs. Leopard Pzbtl 123 with 27 horse powers per ton and T-80UD with 21.7 horse powers per ton. Who will take good position first?
Armor sometimes saves you from a one-shot, but it doesn’t prevent constant module damage to the turret. In one match, an Ajax blocked me for about two minutes until my teammates finally took it out, preventing me from repairing.
Honestly, all T-80 variants have the same weak spots, but no one shoots at the armored parts. So whether it has Kontakt-I or Kontakt-V, a broken barrel or breech is a T-80UD’s worst enemy.
ATGMs also easily destroy this tank, despite the reactive armor.
A six-second reload doesn’t matter when the barrel is broken by random 30mm. I haven’t met many players who struggle to penetrate the T-80UD in the face - not killing the whole tank, but 100% neutralizing it. Maybe only inexperienced newcomers have trouble.
I’m not saying the T-80UD is bad or useless, but at 10.7, it will again face the same opponents it struggled with initially-vehicles that are superior in critical aspects for high tiers: thermals, good gun depression, excellent reverse speed, fast turret rotation (almost twice as fast), and decent penetration to hit weak spots.
Honestly, real armor stops being relevant somewhere around World War II-era tanks. At top and pre-top tiers, the first to shoot usually wins. No one can just tank everything and come out unscathed.
In my opinion, this is a matter of decompression. Send the T-80UD to 12.7, and a new 9.3 depressor will emerge. Nerfing it every time due to tight matchmaking isn’t worth it - balance should be reconsidered globally.
I also tried to find historically accurate upgrades for the T-80UD, and the only realistic option is installing the Buran-Catherine thermal sight. However, the Chinese T-80UD/BE already has this upgrade.
So the situation looks strange: the T-80UD is moved to 10.7, where an almost identical tank already exists — but with a proper 2nd-generation thermal sight. That doesn’t seem fair.
About 2S38:
Even dont want to talk about it, one stray bullet from the other end of the map and this tank is dead. Flanking is impossible due to extremely fast opponents on wheeled tanks. They’re going to the same flank, but they get into position much faster and are just waiting for.
compression is the main perpetrator here. However i do think a fully tricked out sabre (JASDF, F-40, mk6 CL13 and all the others with sidewinders) seeing a gr1 harrier in a full uptier is relatively fair considering their flight performance and harrier gr1 not having flares. both pretty dead if a missile is fired
The thing is the Sabredog is 9.0, while the rest of the Sabres sit at 8.7. hence why I’m asking for the Sabredog to move down to 8.7.
It is fair, in a full uptier. I agree. But the problem is it currently isn’t a full uptier which makes it that extra bit hard, because instead of the most difficult aircraft being a Harrier GR. 1, it’s the F-4C. Which is a huge difference.
I go the T80ud/Be in the crates, i stopped playing because when i had the bmpts on my side all i had to do was hold w and i would simply tank most rounds and so spent half the game repping due to low crew level. Literally took 6 rounds in the side before a team mate killed the guy, just took my autoloader out over and over again. and then i got stomped when facing the bmpt so it just wasnt even fun to play just boring.
The 2s38 is easy to use as its fast enough and its round is very good. Just dont get spotted or shoot first and youll win most engagements.
I disagree with sabredog going down as it becomes an issue of mk4 meteor now having sidewinders on already VERY superior airframes hunting them in uptiers.
with air battles its a case of most vehicles shouldnt go down but most above should move up.
theres obvious outliers such as the venom and vampire being whole BRs too high for what they are but this would work for 90+% of aircraft.
pretty much all full uptier vehicles should become 1.3BR above the previous full downtier BR
Yea valid frustration imo. Even more ironic that the MiG-23 doesn’t even have a CCIP yet people run napalm for a2g.
Even flying the Kfir Canard with the lightest single base bomb load with a far better reward multiplier was impossible when I was having to climb to high altitude with no radar and 2 9Gs and risk getting sparrows to the face just to hit the base.
And you come down slowing from 1.2 and cannot drop your bombs in time trying to outrun them