That dart is just a reskinned APDS, so it’s a moot point.
First of all, to address one thing, The T90 is the T72; there is no difference. The composition is literally the same. Second of all, yes, the BMPT is a problem hulled-down, but you can say that for pretty much anything that has no crew in a turret. And yes, the driver engine can happen, but it also can just detonate the ammo; it’s more of a 50/50 chance of which is going to happen. But when you mentioned you need a good gun to penetrate the lower glasses, I’m sorry, you’re literally tweaking the armor, which is literally the same as the T-72 Alpha from a 9.3, which can be penetrated by 105 guns without any problems, so I don’t know what you’re talking about.
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There’s no need for hostile language.
I’m not arguing about BR “hogging” or player intent - I’m talking about vehicle parity.
If two vehicles are at the same BR, one shouldn’t be strictly worse in key areas. That’s the entirety of my point.
If you’re not interested in discussing balance without personal remarks, then there’s nothing more to add.
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worse mobility
identical firepower
no thermals
improved Composite array
Kontact 5 inserts
from what i see the upgraded armour (signficantly so due to K5) makes up for the worse mobility
Well MiG-29, absolutely.
The same german MiG-29s that apparently kicked the F-16s butt so hard the US decided abandoning HMCS was a bad idea, got destroyed when they did some exercises at an international airshow iirc. There’s a video of it on youtube. Search “F-14 vs. Everything” and theres 2 Tomcats getting multiple seconds on target behind Fulcrums. Pretty cool if you ask me.
There’s also anecdotal evidence that the Iranian F-14s faced off with a sortie of Iraqi MiG-29s.
wait, if those fox1 F15 go to 12.7 ARB, what about the F16s in 12.7 and 13.0?
You don’t get vehicle parity all the time; this is just a consequence of how things are, and hanging onto a good position now will lose you a good position later. The T-80UD will be completely fine at 10.7 with its armour package, and pairs nicely with the T-80B.
May I know why do you think it should be at 10.7?
because it’s too powerful against 9.3s and has made many people, myself included, rather unhappy with their experience. Due to its package, I’m fairly sure it will do more than adequately at 10.7 while allowing the chieftains that will likely still be taken up in BR not to relive having to see the TURMS-T again.
Completely wrong. All of the above except Desert Warrior and M3A3 can fight and win against a BMPT. The BMPT is not immune to them, you just can’t aim.
False. Those are stats from when it was 10.3/10.7. We have no data on how BMPT is performing at 11.3.
But UD will also meet more dangerous opponents with better mobility, optics, shells. Armor isnt bad, I agree. But its not a panacea. This tank isn’t very versatile, it’s as powerful as a sledgehammer, but against nimble and fast opponents with thermal sights, it doesn’t always work. I think it’s better to get behind cover in time than to stand and catch all the shells with super armor, endlessly repairing broken gun.
6 second reload, good shell, good enough forward mobility and strong armor?
“but it has weakspots” so does abrams and 2A4.
better armor scheme forces people to go for weakspots, whereas T-80UD can just click on 2A4/M1, which equalizes the time to kill.
like T-80UD isnt without issues, it would be lie to say that 5° of gun depression isnt limiting or that post-pen survivability is objectively worse due to compact crew, but its not like 2A4/M1 can reliably survive penetrating shot either. Sure, they might not outright die, but due to presence of turret basket + weaker armor leading to more spall its not something to rely on and they can be just finished off with second shot.
2A4/M1 must be played hulldown or at flank to survive, and not every map offers that.
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Ok, I see your point, and that is a valid point, but I do want to say that I don’t think it’s very fair to say that vehicle is too strong because of maximum down tier. Which I mean, it’s a personal experience but happens very rarely. Because by that metric a lot of other vehicles should also go up. I agreed it’s not fun to be fully upteard, but that’s just the nature of the game.
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itll probably never change too as the J7E manual is like hyper classified probably still
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I think the game should be decompressed from 4.7 upward, give it a few extra maximum BRs and just look at all vehicles one by one. So many things get overlooked constantly and consistently and get left behind. It becoming the ugliest from 9.3 onwards
I think the best option in this situation is a great global rebalance and decompression. If UD stays on 10.7 for some time until the top ranks are rebalanced, it’s ok.
i’ve been seeing the arugment for a while but man, dissing on basics in strats, its a simple strat and it works, there is no such thing as being dirty while you are being smart
My personal experience at 9.3 is near constant uptiers, life will be a lot more comfortable now i cant be lolpenned by 2S38 but sometimes things are just bad to be balanced, sure they’d be great at a lower tier since then they’re not constantly destroyed, I mean look at trying to balance the maus, and perhaps the T-80UD has to go through a phase of the game where it’s a bit less balanced, but will be much more comfortable for all in the future.
(MBT-70 vs 3UBM22 below)
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Bro what?
I literally have above 66% in ovr and 80% WR in recent matches, so idk how I am sacrificing teammates if I hardcarry them.
“cheap tactics” yeah sure buddy cope harder
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I agree they have completely different playstyles, but forward mobility doesn’t, in my opinion, really matter all that much. I’m more looking at overall mobility. In which t80UD does struggle a bit But the thing is, the points you brought up are correct and factual. I do think that it should be moved up. I think there should be a nerve to it because I don’t feel That is good enough to go up the tier, but I also feel like it’s a bit too good for the current tier.