3BM59 has a shorter rod length than DM53
So by the Russian mod, the 3bm 59 has a penetration of 350 mm against the 60° plate at 2 kilometers. At that distance, angle, and penetration, it does put it at capabilities basically identical to DM53.
Thats good and all, but Gaijin don’t use the data 1-1 on penetration charts from real tests. They use their own penetration calculator
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Yes I have. And unlike you I actually own both the begleitpanzer and the 2s38.
the spread and ballistics of the APBC shell are so bad that you are not landing any barrel shots at medium range
And luckily for begleit players 90% of maps are knife fights
What are you talking about lol? Begleit is best at CQC
Why am I even arguing with someone who hasn’t even played the vehicle he claims is OP.
No it cannot. 0,5s reload is not fast enough to reliably disable cannons. On top of that the enemy doesn’t have to spend ANY time aiming at you. Just center mass.
You can lolpen a Leo1 and Centurion if you’re lucky enough to get into a downtier but most of the time you’re gonna get sucked into the 10.7 black hole where 90% of the enemies you’re gonna face are abramses and leo 2a4s (there are 8 different leo 2a4s in the game) and you actually have to aim for weakspots and put multiple rounds there while they just hover their mouse over you and you’re dead.
Yeah in the begleitpanzer you actually have the opportunity to flank unlike the 2s38
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True, but I’m mainly asking if it would be fair to add a new round for Russia because 3BM60, at least in my experience, is a bit of a struggle if you’re facing somebody with good armor.
Good shot placement will account for worse penetration. Russian MBT can also take a hit from poor shots in return. 3BM60 tier of tanks is whoever fires first wins
You know what yeah you’re valid
I tried to explain why I don’t consider the 2S38 and T-80UD to be imbalanced or in need of a move to 10.7.
If the T-80UD were to be moved to 10.7, my point was that it would require baseline tools for that BR - such as thermals or a usable reverse speed - similar to what the T-80B already has.
I also tried to explain that the 2S38 already has very poor survivability at 10.3 and would become even more fragile at 10.7.
At this point, it seems we’re not going to reach common ground, so I don’t see further discussion being productive.
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Will players who are currently researching a rank VIII aircraft that’s getting moved to rank XI get 2 weeks to complete research and purchase the vehicle like it is done during tree rearrangements in major patches?
I mean, yeah, in my opinion as well there, I don’t really see why the T-80UD would go up to a 10.7 because it’s not that much different from the T-72B 1989. I don’t know. I’m mainly at T-72 Main, so I don’t really like the T-80s simply because they have their autoloader literally covering the entire interior of a tank, so no matter where you get penetrated, there is a big chance you will get ammo racked.
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BMPT / BMPT-72
11.3 → 12.3
let me go over a quick list of everything the BMPT in its current state is capable of fighting in a normal match
M1 KVT, M1128, leopard 2A4, T-72AV, T-80UD, challenger MK.2, TTD, desert warrior, M3A3 bradley, ZTZ96A, and those are just a few.
whats common among these tanks? the BMPT is immune to them, completely. there is nowhere you can shoot it to kill it, even on the direct side. As for the BMPT, its auotcannons alone are enough to frontally kill most of these vehicles, let alone the ATGMs. This is absolutely not fair in the slightest, even assuming it never got a downtier. This vehicle performs perfectly fine at top tier, and even after its nerf to 11.3, it still has almost a 70% winrate.
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T-80B trades armour for fancy features, it’d be a sidegrade to the T-80UD were the T-80UD not better due to a lower br, now shut up and stop trying to hog 9.3.
It’s genuinely unbelievable you’re still going on about this.
I don’t know why people are even complaining about BMPT. I mean, it’s literally a chassis of a T-72; all you have to do is shoot a Lower glacis or the driver’s Port Like, I play NATO tanks as well, and I face BMPs. I don’t really have a problem with killing them.
Are you familiar with the boilerplate term “driver, engine”? Perhaps you should progress past the first generation of the argument before saying something so basic, the damn thing is unkillable no matter what it’s based on.
i hope you realize that unless you have an extremely potent gun carrier (120s, m1128, etc), most MBTs cant even pen the LFP or drivers port, not to mention it can usually not only survive, but only end up with its driver and engine knocked out, then it can just return fire, rip you to shreds, and keep going its merry way
if you wanna ignore all of that, then tell me, what would you do against a completely hulled down BMPT?
this is a lie. The BMPT-72 is a T-72. The BMPT is a T-90M
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yeah, because the F14 was infamously designed to fight SU30s and MIG29s! right? right???
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I’d ask you not to shift the discussion toward player statistics or personal skill levels. That’s not the point I’m making.
My main argument is simple: if the T-80B at 10.7 has thermals and a −11 km/h reverse speed, then the T-80UD should not be strictly worse at the same BR.
Focusing on who is a better player doesn’t add anything to the balance discussion, and I don’t see that line of argument as constructive.
But it isn’t strictly worse? What the hell are you talking about? Have you even conceded a single point yet?
I see it as extremely important to make you realize you are eating soup with a fork, complaining that fork is not as good for eating soup as spoon and not understanding why people tell you to just use the fork for the steak.
Your argument is dogwater since you fail to utilize T-80UD kit, completly overlooking its advantages and focusing solely on disadvantages.
This is absolutely time to call out individual performance.
You dont know how to play it, you should refrain from making balance related statements about it.
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