And there’s no need to raise the BR of all these Gepards, Shilks, and their brood, right??? They don’t bother anyone???
Heli PvE is broken at higher BRs - Rank 6 helis have to approach 4-6 km to fire ATGMs, while Rank 7 helis with FnF missiles have already fired and switched to engaging planes. It clearly needs a massive rebalance.
2S38 isn’t OP at 10.3 - it’s toxic, yes, but survivability is low: a hit to its unmanned turret almost always kills it, unlike PUMA’s near-indestructible turret. Mobility is average, gun depression is only −5°, and auto-tracker/proximity shells aren’t unique at this BR.
The only real advantage is APFSDS penetration, but that alone doesn’t make it overpowered. It still requires flanking to kill MBTs, and with low survivability and average mobility, performing well in this tank is not easy.
Looking at statistics this month, ground frags per death is only 1.02 in RB - even the PUMA has 1.05.
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its also a premium, making it more accesible and by rule of thumb, having much lower average KD.
With the right buffs… Its fine
Without, yeah its gunna be rough. Especailly with the current slow reload and the massively under BRed soviet stuff at 9.7-10.3
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No. keep it how it is, and keep it 9.0.
It doesn’t need buffed. Its in a GOOD spot, its turret armor works, it gun works, the mobility isn’t a huge issue.
It is in the PERFECT spot, it even fights alot of vehicles that CAN easily kill it.
Id always prefer accurately modeled and balanced accordingly than nerfed to bodge a perticular BR
The best change ever falcon and amx-30 I wish no APDA for all SPAA
it is accurate.
The ONLY thing that could be changed is the Round.
But that is IT.
The HP the guy sited is COMPLETELY WRONG. The L60 NEVER made more than 760HP when mounted in a Tank, the AVRE/engineer vehicles did get a Higher output engine due to needing to tow things and such, But that was EXCLUSIVE to them, as they weighed less and the strain on the engine and transmission was less, allowing them to squeeze out a bit more power. And the 760hp was only in the Mk11 Chieftains that had some SLIGHT improvements to the engine.
the reload is just a soft factor Gaijin uses to balance ALL the time. the Cheiftain Mk10 as is is a PERFECT vehicle. there is no need to buff it, nerf it, move it up, or move it down. Leave it how it is, and WHERE it is.
quiet boyo. no nerfs.
Sure, a skilled player can manage, but balance shouldn’t rely on top-tier skill to compensate for missing baseline features like thermals or decent reverse. Overexperienced player on T-80UD can kill tanks even at 12.7 battles. T-80B with thermal sight, -11km/h reverse and 1100 hp for 43 tons on 10.7 also performs well. Should it be moved to 11.0 according to this logic? What about decompression? Not moving good tanks to higher br making them less viable but lowering br for weaker tanks to make them also viable.
It could literally sit at 11.3 with the TOR :|
very nice stats
I have been told by a forum moderator this is the most ideal thing to do
This has also been a rule in the past iirc
Not to mention the hull is about as tall as an MBT, making the depression worse
Give the Chieftains their Berlin brigade stealth thermals Gaijin.
Both the Mk5 and Mk10 were fitted with this style of Thermals when serving in Berlin. They took the Mk1 TOGS thermal imager, and stuffed it in the IR spotlight box.
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in essence, no. but you, as many others, highligh the advantages of the enemies while dismissing the advantages T-80UD has.
That being armor, 6 sec reload independent on crew level, and relatively good shell for BR.
I usually avoid the argument that “you havent played it” because I do believe it does detract from discussion, you can form an opinion on something just from facing it.
However in your case its not just that you havent played anything BUT russia, youre not even good at playing russia.
I actually highlighted issues with T-80UD in my very own BR change suggestion in this thread, so im just gonna copy why I believe T-80UD needs to go higher:
Id highly suggest for you to go out and actually try facing T-80UD in any other 10.3/10.7 tank. You will find that the armor scheme does hold well against most rounds, whereas the combo of relatively good shell, 6sec autoloader and mobility allows you to play very aggresively.
In fact I have to confine that 90% of my battles with T-80UD were done with stock crew and I havent purchased expert crew up until very recently
T-80UD will be absolutely fine at 10.7 while giving some much needed breather to 9.3 tanks.
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what about the T-80B?
Getting there, I will withold my opinion on it for now, until I get chance to play it proper.
Agree that newcomers buy top-tier tanks and losing against experienced players. But also 2S38 exists in this game not 1st day and many experienced players have it already. So why KD is still so bad and not many players use this tank? Looking at real possibilites, besides good armor penetration 2S38 is very mediocre and definitely not OP. Just as toxic as many other tanks. Tbh, bmd-4 from 9.7 feels better than 2S38.