Limited to 6x best ARH missiles at top tier at the moment, as well as 2x great IRCCM missiles?
It’s fine at 14.0.
The Gripen E also went up to 14.3 if you didn’t notice.
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there should be more info pretty soon. The amount of vehicles needed depends on the nation tho.
i find it quite good, L52 does perfectly fine, and you’ve got HEAT for where L52 doesn’t work
Decent mobility too, armour is eh, but so is the OF-40, AMX-30 and Leopard 1
I really don’t understand people who call it awful
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German Coastal R130
(AB) 1. 7 > 1.3, Tier II > Tier I
The rear mounted 3.7cm sights are offset by 20deg or more making it next to useless in anything but rear firing. This leaves the 2x 2cm as the only effective armament.
This bug was reported and accepted nearly a year ago and remains unfixed, so if its going to continue to be ignored then lower the BR to better represent it’s current state of health.
It’s just mediocre.
Its top speed isn’t too bad but isn’t that great either.
Its reverse speed is acceptable, but nothing special.
Its acceleration is now just as good as the Vickers Mk.1, though that isn’t anything to brag about really…
Its reload is average for NATO standards, unlike the Vickers Mk.1.
Its turret rotation speed and vertical guidance is slightly better than average.
The armour is abysmal against anything more than some 30mm autocannons
At 8.3 you start seeing APFSDS too and so while its APDS isn’t bad, it isn’t better than DM23 – that’s for sure.
OF-40, AMX-30, and Leopard I aren’t really good either in my opinion.
Leopard I could honestly go to 7.7. AMX-30 too… maybe.
OF-40 just gets LRF over the Leopard I.
Vehicle: Q-5 Early / Q-5I / Q-5L / Q-5III
Gamemode: Air Realistic
BR Change:
- Q-5 Early: 9.3 → 9.0
- Q-5I: 10.0 → 9.3
- Q-5L: 10.0 → 9.3
- Q-5III: 10.7 → 10.3
Change: Lower the Battle Rating for each variant of the Q-5 series as specified.
Reason: The Q-5 series lacks effective air-to-air weaponry. Except for the Q-5III, all variants are equipped with only two 23mm 23-2K cannons (the Q-5I and Q-5L have countermeasures, but minimal). This makes them exceptionally poor in air combat, with their primary function being base bombing. Their current Battle Ratings are excessively high for their combat effectiveness.
Specifically, the Q-5III, while equipped with two Magic 1 missiles, only carries 18 countermeasures (dispensed in pairs). It remains completely outclassed by true fighters at its current BR of 10.7, such as the J-7D and F-8E, which possess superior speed, maneuverability, and weapons. Therefore, a one-step BR reduction for each variant is justified to better reflect their limited role and capabilities.
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The M1A2 doesn’t deserve to be at top tier. Yes it has a good round and a short reload but compare that to the SEPV2 with a lws, 30 smokes, and gen 2 thermals in addition. Furthermore I don’t believe the SEPV1 should be either as after all it’s just an M1A2 but with better thermals. Does that deserve to be a notch higher? I don’t know, in my opinion I would say no. (Move down to 12.3/12.0?)
In response to all your other abrams changes, the M1A1 shouldn’t go to 12.0, its turret cheeks are actually quite weak, I penned it once with 3BM46.
The M1A1 HC and clickbait are also fine where they are at 12.0
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The only difference between the HC / Clickbait / M1A2 and the SEP V1 / SEP V2 is that they get worse thermals, no LWS, and less smoke grenades. That’s enough to warrant a 0.3 BR difference, but definitely not a 0.7 BR difference.
All the 12.0 Abrams should go to 12.3, and the SEP V1 / SEP V2 can stay at 12.7.
M1A1 to 12.0 might make sense, but I agree with you that the M1A1’s turret armour becomes exceedingly weak even at 11.7.
Well its still missing its 270 PS at 3000 RPM instead of being limited to 230 PS at 2600 RPM.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/w96fGWjCKmbW
Turm III BR 8.7
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Yak-3U - 6.0 Air RB.
It has excellent armanent, maneuvrability, energy retention and is an absolute beast at lower altitudes. It’s also fast. It eats F2G for breakfast, and while Re.2005 VDM will win a turnfight, 3U is like 50km/h faster at every altitude and 2 Shvaks beat any number of Bredas and MG151/20s.
I don’t know of any planes this thing struggles against. Mk IX LF gets out-energied so badly it’s not even funny.
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LF Mk.IX should still go up to 6.0.
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it also depends, does the RPM buff (2600 → 3000rpm) affect its top speed?
going from 31mph to 36mph will further hurt it at low speed, like its top speed change did previously
Vehicle: Belgian F-16A Block 15 (France)
Gamemode: Air Realistic
BR Change: From 13.0 to 12.7
Change: Lower its Battle Rating to 12.7
Reason: This aircraft is armed only with 6x AIM-9M infrared missiles and a variety of air-to-ground ordnance. In Air Realistic Battles, its air combat capability is significantly weaker compared to contemporary fighters at its BR, which often feature superior weapons such as the 4x AIM-120 AMRAAMs and 4x AIM-9LIs (like the F-4F KWS LV) or excellent flight performance combined with numerous powerful semi-active radar missiles like the R-27ER (Su-27S, Su-33). Furthermore, within the French tech tree itself, the nearly identical F-16 Block 15 OCU sits at 12.7. The OCU variant trades ground attack loadouts for the capability to carry up to 4x Magic II missiles (in addition to 9Ms), offering a more potent air-to-air option. Given its weaker air-to-air armament and inferiority to its own “sister” aircraft, the Belgian F-16A Block 15 should not have a higher BR than the OCU and is more appropriately placed at 12.7.
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It already was increased to the correct top speed of 50 km/h from 40 km/h. My other report was already implemented, just the correct Ps and RPM not.
Yak-3 VK Air RB 5.7 - 6.0
Same story as Yak-3U.
It has excellent armanent, maneuvrability, energy retention and is an absolute beast at lower altitudes. It’s also fast. It eats F2G for breakfast, and while Re.2005 VDM will win a turnfight, 3U is like 50km/h faster at every altitude and 2 Shvaks beat any number of Bredas and MG151/20s.
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Why not move the SEPV1 down to 12.3 then? I see no reason as to why it should be on par with the V2, which is better, and on your logic, warrants a 0.3 higher br just for some clearer thermals, which doesn’t make that much of a difference anyway.
Vehicle: J-5 Export (North Korea / China Premium)
Gamemode: Air Realistic
BR Change: From 9.3 to 9.0
Change: Lower its Battle Rating to 9.0
Reason: The J-5 Export variant is fundamentally a MiG-17 (BR 8.7) equipped with an afterburner and two early-generation PL-2 infrared missiles. While this constitutes a modest improvement over the base MiG-17, it is utterly outclassed in combat against other aircraft at its current BR of 9.3. It cannot compete with opponents such as the supersonic, highly agile MiG-21s, the powerful MiG-19 series, or the F-100 series armed with four AIM-9E missiles. The aircraft’s performance does not justify its 9.3 BR rating. A reduction to 9.0 would better align its capabilities with the competition it faces.
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any updates ?
Yeah move the M1A2 back
US skill issue amuses me