Not exactly BR but the changes to the Chinese air tree should be heavily reconsidered. The J-11 families has limited CAS abilities and are intended for air superiority roles. The Chinese air tree should therefore be expanded into five branches with a domestic heavy fighter branch, and the J-7/J-10A+C seperated as the new branch, where the F-16A/M2C were rebranded into TW+PK with future subtrees(this also allows for players to skip the branch if they only wanted to experience indegnious designs)
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Air Realistic:
Mirage 2000D-RMV: 12.7 → 12.3
The new proposed BR change for the F-15A is very problematic for multitude of vehicles including the Mirage 2000D-RMV.
- The Mirage 2000D-RMV lacks an appropriate fighter radar.
- The F-15A has SARH missiles which the Mirage 2000D-RMV lacks
- The F-15A has an internal gun while the Mirage 2000D-RMV would require a gunpod that would come at the sacrifice of some flight performance.
- The F-15A has better flight model than the Mirage 2000D-RMV
- The F-15A has 2x the amount of IR missiles as the Mirage 2000D-RMV
As it stands, it cannot be the same battle-rating as the F-15A.
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F-4F EARLY 10.7 → 10.0 - 10.3
Me 163 B 8.0 → 7.7
Me 163 B-0 / KI-200 8.3 → 7.7
Still don no why Me 163s are in 8.0-8.3
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Vehicle: A-7K
Gamemode: Air Realistic
BR Change: Already planned for 11.0 but should be 10.7
Reason being its 11.3 RN but even at 11.0 like its planned its going to still vs 12.0 prem BR spam with 2 9Ls and sub mach and terrible FM. Also the A-10A is 10.7 ARB and gets better gun, 4 9Ls, better FM just not speed. Also would like to add the A-7E is going 10.7 to 10.3 with about same speed and FM but worse mavericks and 2 9G at best.
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We desperately need 15.0 for Air Battles.
REASON
• Relieve compression for lower BRs to allow for more expansion, for more BR compression changes
-Example:
*Rafale C/M, SU30SM2, Eurofighter AESA, should at 15.0
(they are arguably the most competitive, capable, and down right out preform ever other plane in its bracket)
With the current 14.0’s and 14.3’s moving up 14.3 and 14.7 respectively*
with the exception of
Finnish F18C
*Does not have HMS or AIM120 C5
*Folder with other Finnish F/A-18 C Hornet
Other Air BR Considerations
13.3-13.7 planes moved up to 13.7-14.0 respectively
Current 13.3’s that should be 13.7:
SU 30MK2 AMV
SU 30 MKM
REASON
•These have the biggest missile pay load at its current BR with the addition of HMS out preforming all other 13.3’s and have more countermeasures to effectively defend itself.
***Very oppressive in a current 12.3-13.3 matchmaker
Current 13.7’s that should be 14.0:
F15C MSIP II
SU27SM
F2A
J11B
BAZ Meshupar
REASON
•With the following changes, this would account for other compression changes and decompress the current 12.7-13.7 matchmaker as these massively out perform the current 12.7’s
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The ammo belt on the DSHK is rather small and does no damage / lights almost no fires compared to the USA .50 cal.
It’s armor…? It can die to getting hit in the commander hatch by a 3.7 frontally and it has weak points on the front of the turret as thin as 73mms
It’s pen isn’t all that great either
They will ignore posts with multiple vehicle suggestions. Only one single vehicle suggestion allowed per post.
PT-16/T14 Mod. was moved up last BR rating changes and still hasn’t had interior composite added/modeled (Even though it’s accepted as a suggestion 2 years ago Community Bug Reporting System) or given DM33.
Nothing burger BR changes except for Falcon finally being put down.
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I think the AMX-30 DCA should go to 8.0 if it loses its APDS. Sure, it has a radar, but so does the SU-37-2, and it has a stabiliser and better AP shells for 7.7, at the cost of its depression. The AMX-30 DCA isn’t stabilised and its protection is rather thin too. Its APDS were what made it worth playing at 8.7 (at least to have AT capabilities that don’t require constant flanking)
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Gaijin forgot about the existence of the F-16AJ🤣🤣🤣
Why are the F-16AJ being held at 12.7?
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I completely agree with the F-4F Early as i made a post eay earlier. Since it bring 10.7 when J35XS and other things have more or better or having 9Js and CMs at or lower BR is sad. 10.7 no CMs and vs 11.7 prem mig-23 and what not spam and 4 9Js is just sad when J35XS gets 6 missiles, fast at alt, can 1v1 dog fight most things and win + 12 large CMs to 1 pop any IR ar 10.3.
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HELL NO.
It has APHE and is vastly better than the ZSUs or sidams!
Vehicle: HMS Invincible
Gamemode: Naval AB/RB
BR Change: 5.7 —> 6.0
Reason: This battlecruiser with 8 305mm cannons shouldnt be at 5.7 BR with other cruisers. She can be hardly pen and extremely hard to be blown up. Even at 6.0 BR ,those cruisers like USS Fargo, 68bis,IJN Suzuya can’t beat her
stupid rule that makes this thread even more clogged up tbh.
Problem is that it’s not clear which vehicle suggestions that users are agreeing with when they “like” a post that contains multiple vehicle suggestions, so it actually makes sense from that perspective.
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It is literally a regular M1 Abrams with a 120mm. It is a glass cannon especially at it’s BR where they just lol pen you.
Vehicle: Koln F220
Gamemode: Naval AB/RB
BR Change: 4.7 —> 4.3
Reason: This Frigate which can only spawn at destroyer point ,and only have two 100mm cannon without semi-AP shell , should be at the same BR with SKR1/7 literaly.
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My god, we agree on something
fair.
however at the same time groups of friends can just bump each others comments and overrepresent support. Im saying that because my comments and my friends that are also forum frequenters naturally do this to each others messages.
I know my main message on this thread is a prime example of that as well as getting more views from being the very first comment on such a high traffic thread
It may be better to look at what vehicles appear more in messages from people instead of a post popularity contest.
You and your friends have limited likes a day, so if you’re forced to spread out your likes over many posts you have to be selective versus liking your friends’ multi-vehicle suggestion posts and leaving it at that.
They do look at how many singular messages a vehicle gets. In fact, I calculated in the past how developers gave more feedback towards vehicles with more singular posts than vehicles with more upvotes total, so there’s priority towards singular messages per vehicle than popularity contests while multi-vehicle suggestion posts are completely disregarded.
I calculated this with a previous planned br thread where Harrier GR1 had received more messages but less total upvotes, and got a developer’s response due to “massive feedback” while Mirage F1 had received less messages but more total upvotes and was completely ignored.