Kfir C2 Air RB 11.7 → 11.3 would allow for a logical progression down from the C7 to the canard. The C2 is currently completely overtiered for it only having 2 missiles.
Kurnass 2000 Air RB 12.3 → 12.0 maybe even 11.7 completely overtiered plane that has no business being at that high of a BR currently without fox 1 especially since in 8/10 battles you face into Fox 3 capable planes. Sure the pythons are nice but that should not put it tho where it sits currently
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If you are going to remove APDS from these 2 SPAA, then it should be removed from all 7.7 - 8.7 SPAAs. These 2 listed are not the problem specifically, its all SPAA with 25-35mm guns. Like why only these 2? Those are not even worse, it’s the gepards and XMs.
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Mirage 2000D-RMV Air RB 12.7 → 12.3 logical step down from the M2KCs5 and is weaker than the M2KCs4 but still 12.7 is completely overtiered. Or consider giving it either 2 additional Magic 2 or add the ahistorical load out with the Mica EM from the dev server back and bump it to 13.7
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Ah you were talking about line placement, I misunderstood.
In which case that is fine, there are no South African aircraft that can go after the Jas39C because that is our currently active serving fighter plane. The only thing that can happen is seeing the Cheetah C coming in at either 13.0 or 13.3 with the Mirage IIICZ coming in at 10.3/10.7.
The Indian planes can come and fill in after the Harriers or the Hornets.
yes sorry i did mean line placement as this would make sense as the typhoons replaced the tornados f3. i mean yea the indians could go over with the harriers and such, but would be prefer them to be in that line with the south african aircraft as you stated the jas39c is as good as it gets for that nation, sound we could get the indian su30 as that lines top tier
These SPAAs are losing apds because it’s in their main belt
Not a secondary self-defense belt like Gepard and other 35mm AAs
There’s a large difference between a belt of circa. 400 rounds of more with apds in it (as is the case with falcon) and a belt with just 20 per gun of full apds (Gepard and other 35mm AAs)
only gonna help so much. The Falcon and AMX-30 DCA both still have a 50+ mm pen SAP-HE that can weasel itself through gaps in the armor.
Agreed
But it’s still vastly better than them also having what? 110mm apds as well?
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thats a very broad statement. Gaijin only looks at the posts that give the vehicle name mode and which br they should go to. Can you be more spesific
I’d imagine Falcon also losing it cause it simply never used it irl. Its not even mentioned that it was planned to use it.
It just got added cause APDS is a theretical option for this kind of guns. Since it caused that much mayhem, the best way is to remove it. Other SPAA like the Gepard + its clones historically and to this day used/use APDS. So no way to remove it.
it should be the same br as the regular yak-3, not lower. it loses some weight and drag in exchange for the loss of the mg.
F-14B that have 9M are enough for 13.0. It’s not the plane that performance good as 13.3 BR
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yes.
If USSR at 4.7 - Move the hell up to 5.3
This was mostly said when referring to A-10A Late, more capable aircraft could easily come even closer than 8km before launch, as overloading that slug past 5km shouldn’t be hard.
That’s true.
Lemming mentality is why we’re getting more and more map “updates” where flanking routes get cut off. Just mentioned it because teams in general aren’t good and won’t care about you at all.
They sense blood, especially if killed from early A-10 or Su-25 found at 10.3.
That’s true, but when your rounds are invisible the time it takes for them to reach the target is a bit less important, don’t you think ?
I’ve also tested this, at about 3800m of range, M247’s HE-VT takes about 6.5s to hit, meanwhile 2S38’s took about 5.5s.
I mean, nothing at this BR is going to kill planes 10km away and shooting at stuff 6-8km away is far more realistic, at least for OSA. I’ve just tried to show how 2S6’s missile isn’t that good even with it’s apparent much faster speed and best case scenario implemented. OSA has much better missiles against maneuvering targets at range and it’s really good explosive mass and trigger radius helps with connecting hits even in lower energy states. I doubt there could even be a competition between those two.
yeah this is why they dont make it go up
I’d move it up to 9.0 just because T-55AM-1 and Leopard A1A1 are there.
The contrast mode is just too good. No amount of flaring seems to help, Strela is death sentence. Maybe Gajin should remove this and put it back on a lower BR. Right now Strela hardcounters jets without long range weapons. Everything with just bombs or rockets just can’t be used cause of Strela.
Britain’s getting battered if these changes stick, some real outliers in arcade as well, GR7 at 13.0 not moving down, the phantoms not moved despite being worse than F4S in all aspects, GR4 depending on mode being considered on par or nearly on par with F15A’s.