We aren’t saying the Rooivalk shouldn’t move up. We are saying it’s ridiculously biased for the Rooivalk and Peten to be going up when the Ka-50 is better than both of them and is staying at 11.0.
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With these br changes it’s astonishing to me that the F4EJ (NOT KAI) Wasn’t lowered and it’s radar missiles taken away it’s not 11.0 capable even in full down tiers it’s pretty bad unlike the other phantoms because of it not having a capable radar missile or agile eagle package in full uptiers it’s a easier kill then a A10 or Su25 because at least they have maneuverability and all aspects missiles the Ej has neither it’s not something that’ll get fixed by moving f16s and such since the phantoms are some of the only 11.0s without all aspect but alas gaijan hates Japan pretty badly so I wouldn’t be surprised if the F1 got its Ps removed and moved up to 11.0 or something
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and i never said this lol, i am with you saying that Ka 50 should go up x)
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What I think is that, much like the M26, it’s in an awkward spot where it’s outclassed by the rest of its hypothetical 6.7 lineup, and I don’t really see a reason to choose it for a spawn, over the other choices available. Make of that what you will.
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The M26E1 uses the T54 cannon, using 90mm rounds of practically the same lenght as the M26s short 90mm. Yet, In-game it reloads in 11.1s compared to the M26s 7.5s.
The obvious solution is to increase the RoF of the M26E1 and it’s BR.
Both T26E1-1 and T32 use 90mm guns with much longer propellant casings, making reloading very difficult.
The M26E1 was a post-war modification, creating a medium tank with the firepower of a Tiger II on a well armored medium chassis. The in-game performance doesn’t reflect that at all.
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They are actually about a single inch shorter, if I’m not mistaken.
While yes, the reload is longer, the sheer firepower compensates for this. Can’t forget that the M26E1 also has the very welcome addition of a coaxial .50 cal.
With that in mind the M26 is just not very useful as a 6.7 due to the 6.7s that are already there. Specially the T26E5, which while heavier, has increased gear ratios which means it has comparable acceleration to the M26 at the cost of some speed, and significantly improved armor.
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Vbci 2 is fine at 9.3 it there is no reason for it to go up currently
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The system on the old forum was better. No gaijin employee is reading 1270 comments. How are they gonna look at forum feedback now? Either they don’t look at it at all or the only read a small portion of them
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To be honest im fine with the idea of having the type 16 at 9.3 but at this point give it a better round
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It should move to 9.7 if it got Type 93, just like the normal Type 16.
Maybe they can use a filter :P
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Best gun for light armor and infantry for a tier that rarely has light tanks. And kind of figured you would make your appearance with your bad takes again Razervon.
While germans only need to point and click. M26 is now 0.7 BR higher than any Panther. Hoooow?
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AH-64A Peten (USA) is listed twice, should one of them be the Israeli one?
Time to move up Turms and 2S38 as well!
Dont know why you screwed the Z-9W/Z-9WA so much…basically useless still, give better atgms if you insist on moving them up!
Merkava mk.2D should move down to 9.3, feels so outclassed by most other 9.7s.
I think you should also give 75% less cost for crew training for a while on vehicles you change BR for, since some lineups needs to be rebuilt.
And this forum is horrible!
Useless armour? The M60 and T-54 are both highly resistant against APHE from heavy tanks and other T-54s. These vehicles are also far more resistant to autocannon fire from all angles.
And the “mobility” of the Leopard is more on a strategic scale than a tactical one. In-game there is a negligible difference in mobility of the M60 and Leopard with my M60s usually beating leopards to the point.
People seem to think the Leopard is on par with the Hellcat in terms of mobility when really it’s perhaps 10km/h faster- and with the tiny maps of the BR, you’re just going to get to get where you’re going half a second earlier.
Now if the maps were larger I could see the argument for the Leo being 8.0. But at the moment all trading armour for mobility does is allow the Leo to die slightly faster.
It’s just a shame Germany doesn’t get a half decently protected MBT until 9.3.
The M26 is vastly superior over Panther and Tiger Is.
You think the US will deploy a medium tank (originally heavy) in 1945 and it wouldn’t outclass tanks from 1942 and 43?
Germans loved their AT guns with high penetration but that’s not everything.
They can click&point because they have high pentrating guns compared to the big boom slow reload Soviet guns. US tanks are much more balanced. You don’t have the highest penetrating gun but when 50% of kills are going to be side-shots against unaware targets, it’s not a big loss.
Instead you get a package of good armor, mobility, gun traverse and depression with same or better RoF. The M26 is like the best of Panther and Tiger combined. Not the most mobile medium but it can reverse at least.
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The following suggestions are my opinion and are based on my own experience of the BR that it will affect. If you disagree with my opinion please discus it in comments but motivate why you disagree and provide your own solution to the problem.
With that out of the way here are the parameters for all suggestions unless specifically stated otherwise. BR changes are for Realistic game modes only. There is a TLDR at the bottom.
For Air:
J7D and J7E, from 11.0 → 10.3. If compromise needed 11.0 → 10.7.
The reason is that these two aircraft have the flight performance of 10.3 as well as the weaponry of 10.3 but sit at 11.0. And with 11.0 currently being 90% uptiers to 12.0 these planes suffer as a result. They are very comparable with the 10.3 Mig21SMT/MF. If the 0.7 br change would be to much for some reason, they should instead be moved to 10.7 to give them a better chance.
If they were given access to 4x PL8 missiles then they could stay at 11.0 since they would at least have some chance against the 12.0 swarm.
Mig19PT/S and J6A, from 9.3 → 9.7.
These aircraft are powerhouses at 9.3 and they bully all the planes in the 8.3-9.3 bracket. Most planes at 9.3 struggle to deal with the Mig19 and some planes at 9.7 and 10.0 will have a tough time dealing with a Mig19.
F104A/C, from 9.3 → 9.7.
They are similar to they Mig19 in that they are able to bully the 8.3-9.3 bracket and while they turn worse most planes can’t even come close to catching them, which forces the need to use AAM which far from all planes in that bracket have access to.
F86F-40, from 9.0 ->8.7. Alternatively G.91 R/4, from 8.7 → 9.0
There is very little difference in the performance between the G91R4 and the F86F40, so it makes no sense that the F86 is at a higher BR, especially when you take the fact that the g91r4 gets 4x aim9b while the f86 only get 2x aim9b. Either lower the BR on the f86 which would be preferred or increase the BR of the g91r4. They both struggle against the supersonic planes present at 9.3.
G91Y, from 9.3 → 9.0.
It’s a subsonic aircraft without missiles that faces supersonic aircraft with 20+G missiles as well as all-aspect missiles. It also lacks flares tho make matters worse.
G91YS, from 9.7 → 9.3.
It’s a subsonic aircraft with poor missiles that faces supersonic aircraft with 20+G missiles as well as all-aspect missiles. It also lacks flares tho make matters worse.
Yak-38/M, from 9.3 ->10.0.
These planes have access to 4x 30G missiles at a BR where most planes lack flares while also being so fast that most planes struggle to catch them. Should at minimum move to 9.7.
Mirage IIIC, from 10.3 → 10.0
It’s not as good as the Mirage IIIE due to the lack of flares and the lack of RWR.
Q5L, from 9.7 → 9.3. or add it’s flares and stay at 9.7.
The Q5L doesn’t add anything over the Q5A, rather it loses things that the Q5A has namely it’s flares. So either move it down to 9.3 or give it the flares that it should have. Would also be nice to see it get it’s AAM’s but not as important as the flares.
Yak-28B, from 9.3 → 9.7
It’s so fast that most planes cant catch it and since it has flares it’s also immune to AAM’s so it is a bit strong at 9.3.
And now some changes to some of the worst offenders.
Su25/K, A10A early, from 10.0 ->10.7.
All-aspect with 20+G of pull should not be on aircraft below 10.7. Increasing the BR of these planes is needed since the bully everything without flares at 9.0-11.0. They should move up to 10.3 at minimum but that will barely help. A move to 10.7 is needed for these planes as long as they have all-aspect missiles.
A6E Tram, 10.0 → 11.0, A10A late, 10.3 → 11.0.
Planes with access to 4x 20+G all-aspect missiles should start at 11.0 since the ruin the matches for every plane that lacks flares and they will still be able to get kills at 11.0. At minimum they need to move up to 10.7 along with the previus minimum changes.
Sea HarrierFRS.1 (e), from 10.3 → 10.7.
2x 20+G all-aspect missiles should start at 10.7 not lower.
Sea HarrierFRS.1, from 10.7 → 11.0.
4x 20+G all-aspect missiles should start at 11.0 not lower.
F5C, from 10.3 → 10.7.
This planes dominates the 9.3-10.7 bracket so hard that what decides which team wins is which team has the most amount of F5C’s. And with it now being a rank 7 that should be reflected in it’s BR since most other rank 7 premium planes are at 10.7 or higher.
F5E, from 10.7 → 11.0.
This planes dominates the 9.7-10.7 bracket so hard that what decides which team wins is which team has the most amount of F5E’s. The addition of the Aim9J along with the better engines makes it a top dog even at 10.7.
For ground:
Leopard 2K, from 9.7 → 10.3.
It is able to dominate at 9.7 with it’s speed and firepower, and while it’s armor is not the thickest it’s very random and thus hard to kill. At minimum it should go up to 10.0.
Begleitpanzer 57, from 9.3 → 9.7.
It’s one of the most versatile vehicles at 9.3 and a very effective one as well.
PUMA, from 10.0 → 10.3.
One of the hardest vehicles to destroy and a menace to nearly everything at it’s BR.
2S38, from 10.0 → 10.7.
One of the best vehicles in the game, with strong ammo and stupid survivability. It’s also one of the best AA’s at it’s BR.
T72AV (TURMS-T), from 10.0 → 10.3.
One of the best T72 variants in the game, with some really good thermals and firepower as well as good protection at it’s current BR. It also makes no sense that it’s at a lower BR that the premium Leo 2 in the german tech tree.
BMP-2M, from 10.0 → 10.3.
Some of the strongest atgm’s in the game and a generally versatile vehicle that can easily destroy MBT’s.
Helicopters:
Ka-50, from 11.0 → 11.7.
It has missiles that out range most AA’s and can also tank a lot of fire. Should at minimum go to 11.3
Last major suggestion is the following:
Increase max BR for air to 12.7 or higher. (Preferably 13.7.)
Move all 12.0 → 12.3 and all 12.3 → 12.7.
This is a needed change. Also increase BR for ground to 12.3 at minimum it’s currently stuck at 11.7.
TLDR:
Air
J7D and J7E, from 11.0 → 10.3
Mig19PT/S and J6A, from 9.3 → 9.7
F104A/C, from 9.3 → 9.7
F86F-40, from 9.0 ->8.7. Alternatively G.91 R/4, from 8.7 → 9.0
G91Y, from 9.3 → 9.0
G91YS, from 9.7 → 9.3
Yak-38/M, from 9.3 ->10.0
Mirage IIIC, from 10.3 → 10.0
Q5L, from 9.7 → 9.3. or add it’s flares and stay at 9.7
Yak-28B, from 9.3 → 9.7
Su25/K, A10A early, from 10.0 ->10.7
A6E Tram, 10.0 → 11.0, A10A late, 10.3 → 11.0
Sea HarrierFRS.1 (e), from 10.3 → 10.7
Sea HarrierFRS.1, from 10.7 → 11.0
F5C, from 10.3 → 10.7
F5E, from 10.7 → 11.0
Ground
Leopard 2K, from 9.7 → 10.3
Begleitpanzer 57, from 9.3 → 9.7
PUMA, from 10.0 → 10.3
2S38, from 10.0 → 10.7
T72AV (TURMS-T), from 10.0 → 10.3
Helicopters
Ka-50, from 11.0 → 11.7
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Again, the M26 was not developed to outclass the Panther. It was developed to balance the firepower to armor discrepancy of the T25.
If Gaijin fixed the T33 and gave it the super charged M82, then, yes it would be vastly superior but the current M26 is not vastly superior to the Panther A and G.
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Where did you see mobility in M26, even lighter T25 with almost same engine is brick? Panthers even have 1hp/t more than pershing.
They will never do it because with it germans won’t be able to do brainless rush.
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