I think its useless to keep argueing with them. They will keep defending their BS Heli so they can abuse it. Ka-50 is in every way superior to the Apache. Copium is hard on them…
Also the argument that the zoom is so bad on the Ka-50 is laughable. I can see enemy helis in it across the map and they cant dodge as i can simply lock the Vikhr and just drink coffee.
Are you taking the piss? move everything ww2 up but tanks like t44-100 and is-3 stay the same, cope power fantasies like 279 stay 8.7 and who asked for the type 89 ifv to move up with how you castrated it 14 times? what the hell is this? is 0.7 or 0.3 matchmaking spread so impossible that you rather crap out excel spreadsheets nobody but a bot looks at? for twice a year? the next step was to decompress with 0.7 or 0.3 matchmaking and decompress cold war area. there was no point with uptiering everything 7.0 onwards by .3 because you are baffoons who take 3 steps forward, 7 steps back
Ah, now that makes more sense. I gotta agree with your statement about using M4s vs M36s, but I still believe that the standard M36 is still overall at least on par with the M4A3 (76), so it should also be 5.7, with the B2 being 6.0 with its HEAT-FS.
Maybe its time to folder the BO 105’s in the german TT and add a 10.x filler someday (H145M cough cough^^)
Ka-50 isn’t excluded, it’s already 11.0, so other equivalent helicopters joining it at 11.0 is long overdue.
Raising Ka-50 would mean increasing the BRs of all helicopters as it would cause BR compression among helicopters.
& whenever AGM-114s get fixed, they too will have a 10km range.
@PapaFox2007
Type-83 APDS used in T-69IIG has 406mm of penetration at 10 meters 60 degrees.
3BM25 used in T-55AM1 has 258mm of penetration at 10 meters 60 degrees.
5:1 is your average KDR across all main tanks.
T-69IIG has an almost 6:1 with you.
Chi-Nu II 5:1.
KV-1E almost 6:1.
Over 4:1 in M4A1 FL10.
Almost 9:1 with Soviet Matilda.
5:1 with M-51.
5:1 with IS-2.
So no, according to your performance, T-55AM1 is perfectly balanced.
You’re also a CAS hog with the BT-5 as your sacrificial tank so you can spam matches without a crew lock.
Guys and girls at Gaijin, please listen to us. The previous BR changes were done with the intent to decompress the early Cold War items from WW2 vehicles, and no we’re just moving a load of WW2 vehicles until they are facing early cold vehicles again.
Since when does it seem fair that a Panther or Tiger could face an IS3? it is completely superior in every single way.
Also, I note that the KA-50 does not get a BR change, despite being the most powerful helicopter in that BR. I understand it does not have thermals, however the Vihkr capabilities more than make up for this. Can you not see how this opens you up to once again being accused of Russian Bias? It’s terrible optics for your balance department with how you treat nations compared to each other.
You need to think about expanding the BR ranges for tanks to 15.0 and giving everything more breathing space, there will always be a compressed BR range, the best we can do is move that range to different eras of vehicles rather than truly decompressing. A higher BR cap would remove this problem.
6.7 tanks cannot face 8.0 tanks. The only tank going to 7.0 is a Vietnam light tank, T92.
Ka-50 already got a BR change long ago to 11.0.
Other helicopters are finally being given their correct BRs.
What is the reason why now M18s go up to 5.3 in the arcade, they are extremely easy to kill since they have a fall and penetration indicator, the same thing happens with the Tiger 1s, plus basically no one angles them
What is the reason why now the tiger 2 p will have the same br as the tiger 2 h in realistic when clearly the frontal armor of the turret of the tiger 2p is lower than that of the h
Another issue that I still don’t understand is why the reloading of the second stage of the leopard 2 is so exaggeratedly long compared to the other mbts, even the first stage reloading of some 120mm full caliber reloads faster like for example the t- 34 american and the m103 which take 19.4, even the is2, is3 and is4 recharge faster, here are examples of the second stage recharge of some mbt:
m1 abrams 9.74 (approximately)
m60 ambt 11.20 (approximately)
merkaba 3 11.10 (approximately)
leo 2k 11.14 (approximately)
leo 1/l44 11.14 (approximately)
chieftain 13.07 (approximately)
challenger 1 8.67 (approximately)
while that of the leopard 2a4,a5,a6 etc is 31.40 (approximately) even the reloading time of for example the kpz-70 is less and taking into account that it adds the time in which the reloading of the first round begins in the autoloader+reloads it as such after expending all its ammunition which is approximately 19.01
I hope that with that in mind they lower the second stage recharge time of the leopard 2 to a more logical amount and more similar to that of the leo 2k or the m60 ambt
Yep. NA75 has the better gun whilst L-11 gets better all-around armour and substantially better mobility. They’re relatively well balanced against each-other.
Worth noting that from 2.7 - 4.7, according to a quick look in Protection Analysis which I know has flaws, the L-11 will only genuinely struggle against the front armour, at 500m, of the: Jpz IV, Jpz 38(t), Churchill VII, ISU-152 and ARL-44 (ACL-1). The NA75 also struggles with these, whilst everything else in the BR range has at least one reasonable weak-spot they can pen; So despite having weaker firepower the L-11 is hardly useless.
Everyone’s happy about char25 and amx-50 (90mm) getting their 4s reload, but I think this is a trojan horse with them also moving to 7.7. What would you take - an APHE round or a gun that’s actually able to pen something frontally?
They should stay at 7.3. They still will not get overpowered, there’s only so many tanks you can flank, and reload does not help you when your round cannot pen anything. If they are completely overbearing, like wink, wink object 279, then they can move up. What’s this trend of nerfing all battle pass vehicles into the ground?
KAs in general not only have better main gun, better dumb fire rockets + better larger dumb fire rockets on top of having superior Vikhrs that still have duel warhead which isnt realistic PERIOD. oh and also have IRCM capabilities.
Even if we assume the guaranteed launch range of Vikhrs being equal to AGMs the KA still dumps all over Apaches because of the Vikhrs speed and superior flight performance oh and its ability to spoof IR locks that make any short range missile kill a no go putting you ALWAYS within gun range of its main gun.
Sorry but the KA50 have utterly no reason to be any lower than 11.3, I dont deny the other helis going up. I’m glad as they got too oppressive at the lower BRs when many SAMs and MANPADS simply couldnt engage it, G Lynx still needs to up more imo, that thing ruins lower BR lobbies
KA50 is no longer 11.0 not with the increase to BR ceiling, but your still ignoring the fact the YAH64 literally has neither IRCM/Flares/Chaff/duel warhead capable of both ground and air attacks. if you literally think BOTH are on the same footing in terms of BR your clueless on balance.
Ill clarify, Im not saying the YAH64 isnt 11.0 material, I’m saying the KA50 is not 11.0 material anymore not when it literally has capabilities that MAKE IT survive longer and has a higher killing potential and you know for a fact thats true
The M36 is not any more capable of putting holes in Panthers than the M18.
“The Ka-50 has better maneuverability that the Apache” And other lies that you can say to yourself; luckily for us, test drives are free. All Russian helicopters are heavier and unresponsible than their NATO counterparts, something that can prove by performing the simples acrobatics like flips
Mi-24 vs AH-1
Ka-50 vs Apache
Mi-28 vs Tiger HAD/UHT
Russian helicopters have good forward speed, undeniable, but claiming them as “maneuverable” is not understanding the concept of the word at all.
“shoot other helicopters and planes with its cannon from a long distance” The cannon is strapped to the side of the helicopter, which result in limited fire angles and a maximum range of around 0.8km; this argument only makes sense talking about the Mi-28.
“Vikhr for shooting down enemy helicopters or planes” I’m tired of this one too. Since they nerfed SACLOS/ATGMs maneuverability, using Vikhr as a A2A missile is unreliable.
“Vikhr is able to reach the enemy, and in this case AA vehicles, much faster than AGM on Apache.” Again, this argument makes more sense for the Ka-52/Mi-28NM; Ka-50 doesn’t has thermals or good RWR to locate SPAAs fast.
SPS-K should not go down, quite the opposite. Its viable where it is now … I would Sh*t my self if I seen it whilist flying my 8.7 Bucc S.1.
Speaking of which , justice for my boy Buccaneer S.1 pls move to rank 5 for airspawn, it being in rank 6 is a warcrime since it gets no flares / chaff or any offensive capabilities. Also think it fits rank 5 more.
Uh… You sure you got pen stats right?
Type83
3BM25
Not even the most powerful 120mm shells have 400mm pen at 60°
removing HE from SU-5-1 will remove any defence against AAs…
so instead of adding a pistol to its commander and hand-throwable smoke, you remove even the HE?!?
How much lower BR do you want to give it 0.1?!?
Apaches have the best gun on any helicopter.
Dual* warheads aren’t modeled in War Thunder.
Apache also has the same HRSS technology on their helicopters.
Ka-50 was moved to 11.0 when 11.7 ground became a thing.
@TyphoonCro
203 / cos 60 = 406.
The M42 is WAY faster which is a massive improvement for flanking and shooting sides of tanks, you’re a complete idiot if you don’t see that difference. that power to weight ratio and higher top speed makes you go to flanking spots in way less time. but its not a big difference if you need a fraction of a second longer to stop.
Yes, the BTR-ZD, Sub 1-2, and R3 are good SPAA, but I wouldn’t say they are better than the Kugelblitz. The armour is overrated but it’s definitely better than what those other SPAAs have. You’d need to be really good with the 50.cals to top-down the kugel (without getting shot) multiple times (as there are multiple crew members inside the turret and hull), and with ease.
The pen (although not as good as before aka 95mm at 0 degrees and at 10m), is still decent enough to pen most light tanks from the front and most medium tanks from the side. This is an spaa, after all, and it still has one of the best penetration for an SPAA at its BR (besides the ZSU-57-2, etc…).
https://thunderskill.com/en/vehicle/it_oto_r3_t20_fa
For the R3 T20, 46.87% winrate, 0.46 air frags per death and 0.15 ground frags per death is very much below average too (with 777 battles last month). Other than winrate, this is quite similar (and even worse in terms of air frags per death) to the Kugelblitz.
You see, these statistics do not tell you anything about how good the players are while using these vehicles (only really takes the average), and does not tell you anything about how they were using them (aka purely hanging around at the back of the map or actually fighting tanks in the frontlines).