The 5.7 Porche is definitely less broken than the KV-220. If all these tigers are moving up in BR, I think the 5.3 Porche should go to 5.7, the 5.7 porche should go to 6.0, and the KV-220 should go to 6.3.
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Lower the Kugelblitz BR to 6.0 or 6.7 at the very least as compensation!
Want to take your WW2 SPAA in your WW2 line up? Sorry, you are now facing post-war tanks at 8.0
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That’s because you’re more used to shooting at planes with your .50 cals than the 40mms. If you practice them enough they rip planes apart faster than any .50 cals can, bc they rip planes apart if they hit anywhere in contrast to having to snipe the pilot, crit the engine so they can’t make it back or hope to burn them up.
Compared to the M19A1, the M42 has not only better topspeed, but also almost 50% better hp/t, a smaller sillhoutte, and much better turret placement to peek corners. Coupled with really strong AP rounds for its BR range it is a menace. It really doesn’t deserve to go down.
I’d be fine with them both being 5.3 if the armor was modeled correctly. I believe much of the hull front should be 100mm thick, not 80mm.
Doesn’t matter if it’s WW2 or not. It depends on its attributes that make it competitive at its BR. At the moment, the Kugelblitz at 7.0 is pretty good, and still is one of the best (and pretty much only) spaa at the BR.
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Not gonna lie, there’s some things that i question hard like why the IS-3 isn’t going up as well or the KA-50. The IS-3 is already a menace to deal with in the current matchmaker and same with the KA-50. The Type 87 RCV going up without at least getting a stabilizer sounds painful, you already can’t pen a good amount of tanks at its current BR unless in very specific spots, and the thought of going up against the TURMS in it just makes me want to cry. It’s literally a type 16 except with a garbage gun and no thermals/stabilizer/laser rangefinder. When you’re gonna be meeting MBTs that you can shoot the barrel/engine of but otherwise can only run away (with half the time to do so compared to dealing with older tanks) why should i take it out ever again?
If the 6.3 76mm Jumbo can fight IS-3s, the Panther will be fine. The Panthers APHE has more pen than the Jumbo’s APCR.
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Yet the ZSU-57-2 at 7.0 has APCBC with 151 mm of pen at the same BR as Kugelblitz
Good morning and thanks for posting these.
Moving the VRCC up means it is more difficult to justify putting it in a lineup with the OF-40 MTCA, which means those who bought it may sour on future purchases as they were likely purchased to go together. While the VRCC is one of Italy’s most effective killers at that BR range, it does not win battles, so it’s not tipping the scales.
The M26 and Centurion Mk.2 are incredibly difficult vehicles to drive at the BR they are already at, what is the reason for increasing them? This one doesn’t make any sense as they’re very challenging already, they don’t dominate against lower BR vehicles, and they’re heavily flawed and possibly too high in BR already.
A similar question around the T92: this vehicle performs abysmally in the average player’s hands, so, why is it going to 7.0? Like changes to the BR of the M41A1 and it’s derivatives, the T92 is a decent vehicle for highly-skilled players to make unique use of but in general it’s not utilized effectively by the community and thus, pretty low impact.
Why does the MiG-21 SPS-K, an already brutally dominant aircraft at it’s BR, get the reward of facing 8.7 Sabres who can barely fight back unless the pilot is much above-average in skill? The Mach 2’s need to be further from the MiG-15/Sabre era, not closer to it.
Thank you for taking the time to consider feedback.
p.s. …while likely deserved why it is you continue to shoot all of Great Britain’s effective AA into space, making them useless, seems odd. GB struggles so badly at every BR, can you give them this, at least? From what little data we have the Skink is barely 1:1 with shooting down an aircraft on spawn, so that sends it to 6.0? A tank that aught to be at 3.7?
With a fraction of the fire rate and no armor or even roof, seems plenty fair to me honestly
Aren’t new better IR missiles top tier meta right now, seeing as the Netz goes up simply because it has 6 pythons as an F-16, performing better than the F-16s with actual radar missiles?
Last time I checked people in top tier were still hugging the deck so tightly that you rarely get a good use out of radar missiles.
I’m curious myself.
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Then we’ll have to agree to disagree.
This isn’t true in a game built around capping points and pushing positions.
I’m sorry, what?
The whole reason why 6.7 is my favourite BR is that knowing weakspots is crucial. There are well-armoured tanks playing against well-armoured tanks. I don’t know how many matches you have in the Jagdtiger, but I can’t imagine ever playing it brainless and getting good results. Whether it’s an Object 268, an IS-6 or even a medium with a strong upper front plate like a T-44, if you don’t know your shot placement, you’ll never do well at 6.7. How is that brainless?
I also find it hilarious that you obliquely refer to me as a Wehraboo. The German tanks we have in WT are infinitely better than the unreliable, overweight, fuel-starved tin cans of the real world, and precisely because I know quite a bit about how they were IRL, I get to laugh and shake my head when people go on about the supposed hyper-realism of this game. Jagdtigers with 42km/h top speed, Tiger II turret rotation that is always at max speed even when the tank is moving and giving the engine full beams, all of this stuff is pure fantasy. And I’m fine with that, because this is a game we’re talking about, and vehicles should be fun to play, or there’s no point having them.
The question of how to balance heavy armour is hardly relevant for Germany alone, it isn’t even the tech tree with most heavies, and has no postwar heavies, unlike America and the USSR.
Ah yes, the inevitable comeback: go play WoT. It’s not like one of the things that sets War Thunder apart from WoT is the complexity of its damage model which is extremely relevant to heavy tanks and their weakspots.
I never said I want heavies to be invincible. But if you believe otherwise, you are free to quote the exact passage where I say that.
I’ve already expressed my belief about armour vs mobility and which one is more situational, so there is no need for me to reiterate it. We agree to disagree on which of these is more versatile.
This is mostly due to the fact that said guns often have ridiculous, dart-sized postpen damage cones, meaning that your six-man-crew makes you survivable even as enemies pen you. I think that should be corrected, ideally in concert with an overall decompression across the board.
Right, except things don’t always work out this way, especially given WT’s maps. In this game, 18 seconds are an eternity. Unless you’re on a long range map, of which we have fewer and fewer, that’s enough for people to push and flank you, or take out your barrel and tracks. Of course you could ideally sit somewhere and play it “as intended” as a pure sniper, but once again, who’s capping, then? This is a game where you need to take risks.
That is to say, the JT has its strengths and drawbacks that make it (imho) very good at 6.7, but it’s not 7.0 material unless it’s in the context of a wider decompression of all BRs. Its problem before was the horrific compression at late WW2/early CW cutoff BRs, and that has recently been ameliorated.
I think it’s fair to say that when I talk about this vehicle’s strengths and weaknesses, I know what I’m talking about.
Correct. Further decompression should also happen in concert. Early MBTs should not be upped, until the overall BR ceiling is raised. Likewise, late WW2 heavies should not be upped for the same reason, until the overall BR ceiling is raised.
I genuinely believed they were going to decompress in phases, which was suboptimal but understandable, but now with these changes and tanks like the M26 getting screwed, I’m starting to think they’re just shuffling chairs in place.
Given everything I’ve written up to this point, I think it’s obvious that I disagree. Compression at 6.7 used to be infernal, and quite frankly if you’re gonna roll it back two months in, why bother in the first place?
Decompression needs to start from the top. They need to raise the BR ceiling of top tier vehicles, and then everything else can follow in phases.
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I think what might be an improvement to these BR changes, is some kind of communication from the developers. Like, if you’re moving the M41 or T92 around, things I see as largely neat or fun and mostly harmless, can you let us know why? What data are they seeing or what trend in play are they trying to counteract with this change?
That would make the pill easier to swallow. I love the M41 and the T92 and it’s sort of weird to see them going up without any sensation that they deserve it.
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The T1/M6 series of heavy tanks had their armor thicknesses gradually increased up to 1942, if I’m not mistaken.
That said, the current thicknesses are not wrong, they are just early thicknesses, I believe.
- what vehicles might be bought together should not have an influence on the balance of the game.
- this is not a targeted nerf to the VRCC, it is a collective hit to the more survivable 105mm wheely bois with quality thermals, LRF and LWS that are 9.0 and 9.3. You should check the whole BR change table for context clues and not just pick out your favourite vehicles. The other Centauros and the Type 16s are also moving up.
I completely share this sentiment.
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What website is that to see your stats like that? Also completely agree that we need the br cap raised, but the majority of the community has been wanting that for years so we know that’ll be like santa giving me a pony this year
The centauros should stay where they are. The Centauro 105 I has a mediocre top shell and feels more sluggish than average on offroad, it does not belong in 9.3 while the ROMOR is a flat out downgrade over it with additional weight in the form of utterly useless ERA. They should stay where they are right now (9.0 and 9.3 respectively).
The T129 should stay in 10.0 where it actually has a lineup. Its already a mediocre helicopter with trash AT missiles and mediocre AA missiles, removing it from the 10.0 lineup would be such a massive nerf that its bordering on being a scam for those who bought it.
The VBCI-2 (MTC30) is literally just a puma without any of the armor while somehow being a bigger target, the puma is already overtiered with its sluggish 30mm and lack of missiles so this vehicle should stay at 9.3 where it can have a lineup with the AMX-30 Super
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The 2 tanks just suck in front of an is3
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