Planned Battle Rating changes for the month of October

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750

You do realise that the recent decompression that stopped them from seeing cold war tanks nearly 100% of the time, was carried out by moving said cold war tanks up by 0.3? Why would you ever want to undo that? This is the first time in a long time that absolute bricks like the Jagdtiger are actually useful and enjoyable even in the (nearly constant) uptiers, after being powercrept into oblivion by “the current meta”. Meanwhile staying in the same tree (just to emphasise that this isn’t country specific bias) the JPz 4-5 sits serenely at 6.3 while being a speed demon with a fast reload, insane zoom, and a god tier HEAT-FS. And from my experience using it, actually performs better when you bring it to higher BRs.

I agree that the M26 shouldn’t go up. I agree the Ferdinand is not on par with 6.7, there is basically no reason to spawn it, and that the Jagdpanthers should now be 6.3 (though imho so should the Ferdis, they’re basically a sidegrade). But in a game of shrinking maps, knife fights in cities, point blank engagement ranges, and mission types focused on mobility, playing slow heavy vehicles is already swimming against the current. When I read stuff like this, basically dogpiling even further because evidently all the current disadvantages placed on slow bricks aren’t enough, it really disheartens me tbh. Feels like being a second class player in the eyes of both the devs and the community.

Just to be clear mate, I didn’t mean this aggressively or in an attacking manner or anything. Just frustrated a bit by some of the changes and the discussion around them.

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751

What AAM-3? We dont have those missiles in game.

EJ kai is a flying barge that struggles hard now since the F16 release and the meta change. It doesnt even have the agile eagle package.

I see no reason why it needs to be higher than its current BR.

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752

Have you forgotten the Tornado IDS (Germany)?
I see no reason for it being at VIII rank and at 11.0??

Not talking about the fact that,

  1. it has almost no capability in air to air,

  2. It is not maneuverable,

  3. Aircraft like the A10, Su25 and Su17 have very similar capabilities and might even be better than the tornado ids at a lot of aspects. (Remember these aircraft’s are placed at the BR of 10.0 10.3 and 10.7 while the tornado is at 11.0 facing much stronger opponents)

What am I suggesting? Lowering it down a tier with the premium Mig 21 lazur-m, lowering its BR to around 10.7-10.3 (it literally has only 2 Aim 9 L’s).

753

Then I think it should get the AAM-3 first THEN raise the BR.
it would be counter productive to raise the BR without the missile, since this is October BR changes.

754

Ground RB

VIDAR 7.7 → 8.7
Was introduced way too low. The LRF (especially combined with thermals) nullifies the only downside of SPGs.

T-72AV TURMS-T 10.0 → 10.3
Strong armor, good thermals, strong ammo with the gunhandling as the only downside compared with other tanks at its BR make it a perfect candidate for +0.3

BMP-2M 10.0 → 10.7
Best SACLOS missiles in the game, great thermals, strong, fast firing APFSDS, target leading indicator

2S38 10.0 → 11.0
It is obvious, you know it, we know, we know that you know. Gen. 3 thermals, fast firing Autocannon, higher Pen than any comparable vehicle, Proxy-fuse shells without tracer and target leading indicator. Except for armor it is better than the Puma, the HSTV-L, the KF41 which are at the same BR or higher.

VK3002 5.0 → 5.3
If the Panthers go up by 0.3, the VK can as well.

Churchill VII 4.7 → 4.3
Difficult candidate. Might be too stong for 3.3 matches. Currently it is lost in 5.7 matches. Only “fair” option to balance is BR decompression.

*edit
Generally:
Increase max BR to 12.3 minimum. Rebalance accordingly!
*end of edit

Air RB

Ka-50 11.0 → 11.3
Missiles which can be used against Ground and Air Targets, very high range, extremely high survivability, with its MAW + Flares impossible to shoot down with AAM.

Generally:
Please rebalance the flare-resistance of Air-to-air missiles. Except for the top tier missiles, they are way too flare-hungry. You can still go full AB, pop one single flare and the missile will lose track. Although this might be physically correct, you should be forced to cut down AB in order to reliably flare a heat-seeking missile. This provides at least a tactical advantage of missile use.

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755

Its got speed over the A10 and Su25 also the premium Mig 21 Lazur-m gets R60mk right

Most 10.7 or 10.3 jets dont get all-aspects and if the lazur-m were to go down the F104S TAF should also

756

Completely agree with the PZ 4 BR increase. Though I would also add the Turan 3 here, since as much as it pains for me to say this as a Hungarian, it’s still a PZ 4 with really noticeably better mobility though worse armor on the hull and a huge forehead, so it should be brought in line with the other PZ 4s atleast.

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757

Z-9WA BR raised again, give it AKD-9 please since my suggest has passed to developer 9 months ago.
It’s too stupid a helicopter in 10.7 only with 750mm penetration and 4km range.

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758

I’d completely agree with you if it had a worse AAM

759

I only really disagree with the Tiger E change, simply, because its gun will be pretty much incapable of alot of 7.0 threats and the fact they can completely ignore any kind of armor the Tiger 1 has. While it’s definitely very effective against the threats of its current BR, its gun will bounce almost everything frontally from several spots and its armor will be cut through like butter. I really think only the H1 should go up in BR. I’m not saying the Tiger 1 is a bad tank, I’m saying that its unique doctrine pretty much makes it worse against most cold war vehicles.

I do agree with the Panther change though as it’s a very capable vehicle anyways with a strong gun, though I do think even the Panther D should go up in BR, because while it doesn’t have the turret rotation speed of the others, it still has the absolute best speed out of all armored Panther variants, which is also very noticeable. The proto Panther is probably fine where it currently is, because it’s armor while still somewhat effective is not a huge threat for the mobility boost it has.

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760

Air to air mission has no connection with air to ground mission. Better AAM doesn’t mean it should have worse AGM in BR 10.7.

761

Pure top speed generally matters less than acceleration.

The Panther D might have higher pure top speed, due to the 3000 RPM engine instead of 2500 RPM, but the acceleration ends up not being anything phenomenal because the horsepower gained compared to the increase in RPM isn’t anything great (650 compared to 600, 8.33% horsepower increase, compared to a 20% RPM increase from 2500 to 3000).

Effectively this gets treated as if the engine on the Panther D has lower torque, which in real life it does, and because the weight of the Panther D is basically identical to the later Panthers, on top of the transmission being the same, this hampers the acceleration of the Panther D.

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762

Yes it does.Sadly.
According to your opinion, ZSU-57-2 should be at like 2.0 because it literally can’t do any anti-air

763

I see, the main issue with the Type 79 is that the entire ATGM “drop” trajectory is extremely weird for the Type 89 when it leaves the Launcher, it swirls around very much and fails to stabilize till 600-700m.

I have not found another ATGM that has these issues.

764

What are you mean? F-4F sits at 10.7 and F-4E at 11.0

765

Hello there,

I’m a huge fan of M26 tank and I play it a lot. I have over 1600 battles played on it and I think I have the experience to speak out against the idea of moving it to 6.7.

While I agree this tank is better than German Tiger 1 or Panther, it definitely isn’t as good as Tiger 2, T-44 or American T34. Even other variants of M26 like T26E5, T26E1-1 or M26E1 are all better and doesn’t make any sense for M26 to sit at the same BR. As you are moving things like Panthers, Tigers and IS-2s up, I think M26 would fit in perfectly without having it’s BR changed. It’s cannon really isn’t the greatest at 6.3 already and armor is usefull in downtiers only. The tank is also infamous for it’s average mobility, so it has to rely on the armor. If you move it to 6.7 it will simply become obsolete and there will be no point in playing it, cause there are much more viable options at 6.7. I’d suggest at least leaving it at 6.3 for now to see how it performs. If it performs too good, which I personally doubt, then you could move it up.

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766

That’s also the biggest issue I have with the M26 BR change.

I have the M26E1. If these changes actually become live, I will have no reason to ever touch the M26 again, because at 6.7 I just have overall a better M26 to play, on top of the other specialised Pershings, the T26E4 and E5.

And from my POV I understand that the M26 is quite a bit better than the Tiger or even the Panther, I just don’t see why those BRs were changed in the first place really. I consider myself a US main and yet I’m completely fine with the current placement of those German tanks.

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767

Please… you gotta do something about the object 279 it’s way too overpowered at 8.7.

I suggest 9.0.

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768

lmao, 4.7 vehicles against 5.0 and 5.7 vehicles. Sounds like the good old days are back to me😂😂

770

He is talking about SBEC i guess.