Planned Battle Rating changes for the month of October

Because AAM-3 good flare resistance, and MiG-29SMT (9-19) up to 12.7 at least if ARH BVRAAM R-77 replace R-27R and remove R-27T

I guess gaijin might increase BR Air RB & Air SB to 12.3 or 12.7 for J-8F, PL-5E or PL-5E II replacement PL-5B and add BVRAAM PL-12 this quarter

I might hope this month gaijin consider PL-8 replacement PL-2, and PL-5B replace with PL-5E on J-7E & BR to 11.3, add PL-8 on J-8B but never helmet mouted sight (HMS) and not sure BR up to 11.3 same J-7E or stay 11.0

Tiger E should not meet IS-3 with the current game balance.

The 6.7 lineup is already bloated as it is for Germany in ground RB. The LeK should be at 7.0, and if the Tiger II P absolutely must be 6.7 (god knows why anyone would ever choose to spawn in it with so many better alternatives available) then the Ferdinand should go down to 6.3. As it is, it’s already essentially not worth spawning in. You want to use the long 88? You now have three Tigers at the same BR that have it (and the Panther II as well for those lucky enough to have it). Need a tank destroyer? The Jagdtiger has actual usable armour, can be angled, and is faster (!).

Nice to see that so much of the recent decompression has just been deftly undone.

Unless they are planning to increase ground BR’s to help decompression, a lot of the ground changes are pretty atrocious.

They might be planning to increase with air BRs rather than let ground BRs go ahead of air BRs. Time will tell.

Agreed Gaijin please listen to reason. Do not bring the ZTZ88A/B T-69 II G to 9.0

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So they can “finally” meet again all the cold war tanks they stopped seeing with the recent decompression. And you say it’s not a terrible change?

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Nah man, again russian vehicles are overlooked. This is so stupid. Ruining the chinese 8.7 lineup while the t55s are untouched and the fucking object 279 is still at 8.7?!?! Gaijin, come on. Youre making your last changes obsolete with most of the stuff as well. 2S38 also untouched btw loool.
Please listen to the feedback.

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Try to using a Churchill NA75 vs a Tiger 1H good luck, and tell me how fun and rewarding the gameplay was.

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The basic M36 is already really good at 5.3 because of the great mobility provided by the very high hp/ton. The gun is not mediocre.

The M4A3 (76) has no reason to be at the same BR as the M4A2 (76) given how much more mobile it is.

All the M41s are too good for their current BRs so the increase is warranted.

It has a commander .50 cal, and significantly superior hull armor. The UFP is 100 mm CHA at 60° instead of 120 mm CHA at 30°, and will stop the long 88 mm. The LFP is 130 mm CHA + 30 mm track armor at 30° instead of just 100 mm CHA at 30°, and so it will stop rounds like the short 88 mm. Turret is also improved.

With such an improvement in armor and the addition of the .50 cal it makes absolutely no sense to have these vehicles at the same BR.

How is the M36B1 far worse than the M36B2 when it has better mobility, basically identical armament, and similar protection?

With the BR increase for the ZTZ 88A and ZTZ 88B I’m hoping their composites get fixed according to this bug report.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/0TIL8og9tGJU

If the 88A was moving to 9.0 it could also gain an ATGM (I have no idea which one it actually fires, maybe the GP-105 which the 9.0 WMA 301 has) and the ability to mount ERA with a mobility decrease. The 88A would be a complete upgrade to the 88B, which perhaps could stay at 8.7. The lower penetration of the 88B is already a big disadvantage vs the 88A especially if it starts to see even tanks like the common Turms at 10.0. (the 9.0 PTL 02 has a 381mm at 0m vs the 337m of the ZTZ 88B)

Although I have no idea what the 88A would look like with ERA since there don’t seem to be any public images of how they would mount ERA on it. If I were to take a guess, I’d imagine it would be similar to the contemporary Chinese designs like the Type 69-II G or ZTZ59D1. The Type 85-III with its similar hull may also provide another example.

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Also KA50 must be balanced ffs. Why isnt it moving up???

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Absolutely horrible changes that negate the ww2 - coldwar decompression. Somehow all helis exept russian are going up. The 279 is still at 8.7. type 69 G II going to 9.0 with it’s nerfed reload. Unnessecary removal of niche shells from certain vehicles. and moving of some 9.0 vehicles to 9.3 to further negate all the toptier decompression from few updates ago.

Gaijin is on some hard drugs rn.

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The vehicle is objectively broken. It needs to be 9.3 at LEAST. It should have been 9.0 before the “decompression” and loved to 9.3 along with it. It recently received a armor buff, removing the one of the few places you could actually pen it. On top of all of this, it just doesn’t die to bombs due to its broken damage model. It shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near 7.7, 8.0 or even 8.3 tanks.

These changes do not balance any vehicle present they compress the Late WW2 / Early Cold War bracket

Tiger E facing an IS-3 is insane

Gaijin, when will you tie crew training to the vehicle, instead of a lineup slot?

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The Mangusta now being 10.3 just absolutely nerfs the entire 10.0 lineup of italy - why? I get why hellfires shouldnt see downtiers without counterplay, but at the same time, cant we finally raise the top BR and 10.0 with it?? Destroying lineups is absolutely stupid for helicopters which see no standalone use

T-67 II G at 9.0? Why? It has no thermal and bad optics, so it is stupid. Also It is very similar to T-55 AM1, which stay at 8.7
It is completly stupid change.
Also mow you cant have premium lineup wth T-62. Awful changes.

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Ariete(WAR)/(PSO)
11.3-11.0
These are not top tier material as they lack armour and for the most part mobility.
Gaijin also refuses to model them correctly DM53 was a half measure just remove it and give it a reload buff

Ariete AMV
11.7-11.3
This thing lacks roof mounted machineguns so it cant kill early spawn helis and its only a slight mobility increase Gaijin modelled it from like one picture
Keep DM53 and give it reload buff

Otomatic
11.3-11.0
Not really a top tier capable AA in range but can still be deadly to earlier jet cas
Remove the limit on APFSDS as well take the 2S38 it can carry full apfsds

Tornado IDS all tech tree variants
11.3-11.0
These really shouldnt be fighting in 12.3 air matches

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I know about your “bracket” problems in Air SB but the F2G is far superior than the F4U-4b. I killed a hell of them in Air RB with an IT P-47 D-30 if their pilots made severe mistakes, but the plane performance allows even quite mediocre pilots to get away with a lot of basic mistakes in a row.

In total opposition to a F4U-4b - their major “trick” with high speed reversals is not working if your plane has an air brake, drop on them, park at their six and spray them down - easy. This tactic works not against F2Gs as they have an air brake too and sheer surplus of engine power allows them to spiral away without any effort.

Regarding an F8F - i mean this is lightweight low altitude interceptor - without 2nd stage supercharger optimized for altitudes up to 4km. With some experience they are a free kill if you drag them above 5 km or if you drain their energy if you force them to turn.

Well what’s your point? The Obj279 can also pen the Chinese mediums frontally. Or is it because “oh my obj279 has to be invincible, nothing should be able to pen me!! My obj279 can beat everything at 8.7 and nothing at 8.7 should be able to beat me!!” Yup seems about right, very balanced.

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