Thats the big massive problem, gaijin has just lowered a bunch of 4 gen jets to 13.0 just for us. su 27 spam here we come…
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I dont say move the f4s down but move the 4th gens up
too many people want to compress more shit just cause they cant use the jet or tank.
im muting this man its too stupid, F4S to 11.7 harrier GR1 to 8.7 xD all of these jets are fine, we just need to move the stupid stuff further up, gripen shouldnt be against F4s at all for example, or mirage f1 200 VS F15A (god i love it)
It can’t.
Only one visible vehicle per BR per line. If the line has two or more vehicles with the same BR they need to be foldered,as long as they have something in common.
Practical example: M1A1 and IPM1 are both the same BR and are hence foldered together because they share the same layout,the same armor thickness and the same engine.
The ZSU-23-4M2 and the ZSU-37-2 share 0 things in common. So yeah,sorry,but no 7.7
That is a you issue. I’ve had no issue dealing with F-14As or Mirage 2ks etc etc in the Tornado F3.
new FM and MP reduction and I just seal club. Give it fixed BOL and 432 large calibre chaff via Phimat and it would be one of the best 12.3 in game. F-14A with its rear-aspect only IRs and Aim-7Fs, is not all that good. Compared to the F3 it also has a crap radar and RWR and 60 CMs vs 352 (which could be increased to 784).
TLDR: F-14A is not a god-tier airframe that would be 12.7/13.0 if it lost Aim-54s. It would be a good 12.0 airframe, maybe 12.3 But thats it. Tornado F3 is better in many respects except WVR combat, which quite frankly, why the hell are you trying to dogfight in the Tornado F3.
Yeah with them adding higher and higher premium vehicles I wouldn’t doubt it even more so with every update Sweden getting only premium vehicles but a jet with fox 3s would definitely be a bit shocking.
All on Air Realistic Battles
- 14.3 - F-15C, Su-27SM, J-10A, Mirage-2000-5F
- 14.0 - F-16C, Mig-29SMT, JF-17, Jas-39C
- 13.7 - J-8F, AV-8B
- 13.3 - F-14A iran, F-14B, Jas-39A, F-16A(France)
- 13.0 - F-14A, Su-27, F-15A, F16A, Mig-29G, Mirage 4000
- 12.7 - Mirage 2000C-S5, Mig-29A
- 12.0 - Kurnass 2000, Mirage 2000D
- 11.7 - F5E FCU, J-7E
- 11.3 - F5E, Mig-21bis
- 11.0 - F5C, Saab J35XS
- 10.7 - AMX A1-A
- 10.3 - A-5C, F4-C
There is no need to BR down all these planes(f16, su27), just get the fox3 ones on a higher BRs.
The mig21s should not get its br lower because it would ruin all the BR under it, same for mig23, just get those f14 at a higher BR so everyone at 11.3 to 12.0 doesnt get those absurd missiles shot at them.
i added the Amx because i dont think it has a diferent performance as the tech three one, worst cannon, its missiles are higher G-force but the 9L have better flare resistance than the piranhas.
J7E should not be at a BR so low, it has an absurd amount of advantage against its enemies
mirage 2000D has only 2 missiles for its BR, deserves a lower br.
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Yep, and thats Sim, so for every Sim match is like 3-5 ARB matches.
ARB, Su-7BMK / Su-7BKL . 9.3 > 9.3. Keep the SU-7 at 9.3. Already at 9.3, it needs to evade Aim9D, E, G, J and Ls. With it having no flares at all, it is free food for those missiles. Moving it up will only further worsen the problem.
like i said, teh F14A is better in every regard bar the radar and top speed, aim7F are more reliable than skyflash super temps, the FM is worse, speed bleed worse, retention, worse, thrust to weight, worse im sure.
the F3 is good in sim as i say for the last time, due to the radar being so effective its one of the best in teh game, by that standard it can compete against F15s and 16s with ease, that doesnt change overall teh tornado F3 in any form of prolonged, close range fight loses to the F14, ( of pilots with equal skills)
i mean if the falcon loses the ap belts i dont see why not moving it down, though it should be said the veak isnt that great of an spaa due to the fact it only has twin 40s, which are kinda crap without he-vt
The f14s radar is far from crap, it can effectivly find targets and lock them for the 7fs, which admitantly carries it in the bvr. But 7fs are that much better than the superTEMPS that it doesnt matter. Sure with the new fm the tornado is in a far better place but it only seal clubs ina fulldowntier, the moment you have f14s and other 12.3s your not doing much else apart from notching and firing off skyshits whcih miss as you always have 3 or more people hounding you down (might just be my terrible luck as ive even had a squad of 4 come up on me on an ec map in a long forgotten corner of the map). I would take an f14 over the tornado 8 out of 10 times if it was pure stats, i just prefer the look of the tornado. That is the only reason i grinded britian, they look better than most other nations.
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and I would take the Tornado F3 over the F-14A every single day of the week. But thats just me. I’ve had no issues with it and in fact, might even dare play it more in ARB (especially with CM fixes), though I will always prefer Sim at the moemnt because its just better.
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I will admit, 150 sim matches is inasne, however sim is vastly different to rb. radar and rwr are 100 times more important in sim than rb which does make the tornado a much better jet at the br. However in rb where you can just look with your eyes hundreds of kilometers away it really isnt as important (unless your the f104 asa without a directional rwr that is). In sim the tornado does beat out the f14 but in rb it is far from close.
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Not really, its honestly very logical step prem wise. Adding a 3rd gen jet with ARH makes sense to try and sell. A viggen at 13.3 with 4 ARH and 2 9L’s would more than likely sell and get clubbed by proper fighters since the radar is hit or miss at times. Im.more suprised gaijin lowed the XS’s BR they seemed very intent on killing it lol
and most of those were in the dark days of forced uptiers vs Mig-29s and F-16s. (and shockingly bad MP) The fact Ive maintained a 2(ish) K/D despite that is actually not bad.
The tornados a blast in rb, but its not on par with f14s, and by moving it up it would have to face jets with arh missiles that also outclass it in the wvr fight. Do you want it to be slightly over performing in FULL downtiers or it to basically become a paper weight at 12.3?
when missiles would stop working half way through the match… Should i give tornado sim another try, it always seems daunting looking at the br brackets i would have to face.
Torando F3 or F-14A?
Tornado F3 with 32 Large Calibre Flares and 320 full strength BOL flares and 432 large calibre chaff. I could genuinely see it being 12.3.
it cant compete with the 13.3s is the issue in ARB at all the F14A but over all is far, far better in ARB cause how the games played