Why AMX to 10.0 to 11.0 and saggitario to 9.3 that fight plane with missle when it don’t have flare, and F-104 that are at 11.0 with worse missle than 10.0 plane ; good work gaijin love your hate versus italy
2S38 should go at least 11.0 if not 11.3. It was and still is better than HSTV-L, even if the APFSDS round penetrates slightly lower at 0 degrees but it has faster Rate of Fire, more ammo, better thermals and is doing better in SPAA role than other dedicated SPAAs as well (due to it’s HE-VT round). It also gets more smoke grenades and LWR, giving it better survivability and great tools versus helicopters and CAS elements.
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Why AMX to 10.0 to 11.0 ? not talking about to saggitario to 9.3 that fight plane with missle when it don’t have flare, and F-104 that are at 11.0 with worse missle than 10.0 plane with dogfight capability of a wooden trunk . Please rework the Br to the plane for italy
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Ground RB, Kugelblitz, 7.0 > 6.7. Reason :
After the Jacob De Marre armor penetration value changes, the 30 mm MK 103 HVAP shell lost around 22% of its previous armor penetration and its now unrealistically underperforming. The vehicle platform itself is a WWII Pz 4 chassis with poor mobility for the current battle rating, which is a battle rating with not a single other vehicle present, forcing players to use it for br. 7.3 to 7.7 line ups. And that ain’t right.
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Realistic Air, G 91 YS. 9.3 > 9.0.
It’s a flareless, transonic plane going against supersonic planes and all-aspect missiles, the G. 91 Y already sits at 9.0 and they are basically the same plane, the Y has the nords manually guided missiles, and the YS has the AIM-9B of very limited utily, I don’t think their presence warrants a 0.3 br increase.
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for the love of god up the F-8U already, it’s been totally clubbing at 10.0 for months now
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This! This is exactly what I was talking about, plus it should get the full HVAP belt, if someone wants HE in their belt, bring the HE belt then
Hello, please provide an additional BR separation for Helicopter EC as well. There’s great difference between 7.7-8.0 helicopters and 9.3 ones, while 9.7 helicopters will struggle to do anything versus 11.0 and higher. We need an intermediate 3rd bracket, around 9.3 - 10.3 as well for Heli EC mode as well in order to better balance out the matches.
Air Realistic Battles, F4s Phantom 12.0>11.7. In the current matchmaker the F4s faces the f15a, F16’s and Mirage 4000’s. All aircraft that outclass the f4s in weapons capability’s (Irccm, smokeless-motors) and in performance(Speed, maneuverability, climb rate, etc.) With the proposed change of moving the J11 and Su27 that will make the matchmaker even less favorable to the f4s.
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Ki-84 hei (AirRB) 6.3 → 6.0 or 5.7
The Ki-84 hei has the same flight-performance as the Ki-84 ko, which is at 5.3.
The only difference is the armament.
But the 30mm on the 84 hei are not good, as they are on the wings and have a very bad velocity, making aiming them in dogfights and in general atrocious.
Therefore the Ki-84 hei should be lowered in BR to ar least 6.0, or even to 5.7, as the flight performance is the same as the Ki-84 ko and the armament is somehow worse.
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RadKampWagon 90 should stay 9.7. Its performance is comparable to other vehicless like the Centauro, Type 16, and Rooikat. Plus the lack of Thermals dosent warrant an uptier to 10.0
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Realistic Air, CL-13 mk.4 8.3>8.0
Reasoning: This version of the CL 13 has literally the same performance of a F-86 A-5, I don’t see why it should have a 0.3 higher br.
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RB, Leopard A1A1 (L/44): add DM23
At the moment it’s just a straight downgrade from the Leopard 1A5.
It’s slightly heavier, has worse gun handling, less penetration and less armor.
The firepower should at least be on the same level.
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RB, TAM, 8.7 → 9.0 + add DM33
This vehicle has no lineup at 8.7 but it’s much more mobile than the Leopard A1A1 and has a laser rangefinder. It shouldn’t be a lower BR.
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Realistic Air G.91 R/1 8.7>8.3
Reasoning: extremely weak offensive armament, and with the Mig 15bis, and the F-86F25 at 8.3 it really doesn’t make sense to be higher. It’s probably a leftover from that round of br adjustments, it should be lowered.
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RB, Leopard A1A1, 9.0 → 8.7
It’s worse than TAM, the two should swap BRs.
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Realistic Air G.91 Preserie 8.3>8.0
Reasoning: extremely weak offensive armament, and with the Mig 15bis, and the F-86F25 at 8.3 it really doesn’t make sense to be at the same br. It’s probably a leftover from that round of br adjustments, it should be lowered.
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Same with Italy’s CL-13MK.4
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Im sorry but WHY are both pumas which are already overtiered getting moved up?
So what now the puma s1 will exclusively fight tanks its utterly outclassed by?
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that can quite happily defeat most aircraft at its BR
This is delusional. It really doesn’t stand a chance against the majority of 10.7’s. Or are you talking about people that don’t pay attention to you? Because if that is your rhetoric you could argue a P-51 can beat a F-15. 1v1 there is hardly any 10.7’s it can beat. But if you disagree, I would encourage you to send me a list in response. In a typical ARB match it’s severely underperforming. The only reason it’s 10.7 is because people get high mission score by bombing bases, which is a stupid reason and metric to determine the BR of a plane in ARB
The lack of CMs might make in vulnerable to aircraft like the Sea Harrier or A-10 with Aim-9ls but its speed means it can stay out of range with ease
About 25%-33% of my matches end with me vs the enemy team. How much chance do you give the F-4C in that scenario? Because it can 1v1 hardly anything. Outrunning the enemy is only a legitimate strategy for so long. At some point you are going to have to fight them. At which point a lot more planes become a problem for the F-4C than only the Sea Harriers and A-10’s
At 10.0 it would be facing aircraft like the Hunter F1 with no CMs, sub-sonic and no AAMs and a fraction of the turn performance
Do you ever think the problem might be with the Hunter F1’s BR instead? Or maybe the fact the up- and downtier system is fundamentally flawed and creates an unbalanced matchmaker? If it were up to me up- and downtiers would be limited to a 0.7 or even a 0.3 BR delta
and thats just ignoring the fact it does actually have SARH as well and most dont even have RWRs below 9.7
If we are going to balance for up- and downtiers we need to have a whole different discussion. Because you conveniently seem to forget it often faces planes that are higher BR as well. Tell me, how is a F-4C supposed to fight J-7E’s, F-5E’s, MiG-23MLD’s and JA37C’s?
TLDR: 10.7 is the correct BR
It really is not
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