Plane - Saab 105G
Mode - GRB
BR - 8.3 → 8.7
CCIP plus opitmal loadout of 3 1k lb and 2 0.5k lb plus a gun make this a very good ground pounder
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Missing BR Changes:
Pantsir S1 → 12.0 (or 12.3) (66% more Range then all other SPAA’s)
ZSU-23-4M4 → 9.7
2S6 → 11.3
Strela → 10.7
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Please consider this despite it being a list because there are way too many aircraft with wrong battle ratings for me to not make a list.
ARB, F-16A. 12.7 > 12.3. It’s not competitive with just AIM-9Ls and it shouldn’t be the same BR as the F-16s with AIM-7s.
ARB, F-14B. It needs AIM-9Ms at 13.0
ARB, F-14A (early). It needs AIM-9Ls at 12.7.
ARB, Mirage 2000-S5. 12.3 > 12.7. It’s too good at 12.3 because it outclasses every other 12.3.
ARB, Mirage 2000D-R1. 12.3 > 12.0. This should be lowered because it’s somehow the same BR as the Mirage 2000-S5 despite not having any SARH missiles and no internal cannon and it can’t even destroy a base.
ARB, F-4J(UK). 12.3 > 12.0. This is the same BR as F-4S but with much worse SARH missile, slighty worse IR missiles, no HMD or agile eagle slats.
ARB, Phantom FG1/FGR2. Consider giving one of these AIM-9Ls because they’re not much better than the F-4J(UK) and it’s boring to have to grind through identical planes when you can make them different by giving them different missiles.
ARB, F-104ASA. 12.0 > 11.7. This wasn’t good at 12.0 before the massive FM nerf. Now it’s even worse.
ARB, F-111C. 11.7 > 11.3. Same BR as the American 11.7 F-111 but with less missiles and a weaker engine.
ARB, A-10C. 11.3 > 11.7. 4x AIM-9Ms are too powerful at 11.3, even on an A-10.
ARB, AMX-1A. 11.3 > 10.7. The Italian AMX is 10.7, but this is for some reason 11.3 despite having missiles that are at best a sidegrade to the AIM-9L.
ARB, Sea Harrier FRS.1. 11.3 > 11.0. This is a first-generation harrier with significantly worse handling, 3x fewer countermeasures and a less powerful engine than the the second generation AV-8B (NA), which has the same BR.
ARB, AJ37. 10.7 > 10.3. This plane is just awful IMO. It’s fast for its BR, but it has horrible energy retention and handling at low speeds and a even more horrible loadout: A single gun pod mounted on the outer wing that’s hard to aim, a single countermeasure pod with only 12x flares, and two average IR missiles.
ARB, Italian F-104G. 11.0 > 10.7. It can only carry 2 missiles compared to the other F-104Gs that can carry 4.
ARB, Buccaneer S.2B. 10.7 > 10.3. This is way worse than the other 10.7 subsonic strike aircraft with AIM-9Ls. It only has 2 AIM-9Ls (the 10.7 A-6 and A-10A late has up to 4), it handles like a bomber and has no cannon.
ARB, Chinese F-104G. 10.7 > 10.3. This is the same as the F-104J but with two fewer missiles and somehow has a higher BR?
ARB, F8U-2. 10.0 > 10.3. You forgot to increase this one in the last BR changes. It’s better than all other 10.0s and even most if not all 10.3s.
ARB, Harrier GR.1. 9.7 > 9.3. Same BR as the Harrier GR.3 but with significantly worse missiles and no countermeasures. The YAK-38 is better and that’s 9.3.
ARB, Hunter F.6. 9.7 > 9.3. Same BR as the Hunter F.58 but with significantly worse missiles and no countermeasures.
ARB, F-104C. 9.3 > 9.7. Better than the F-104A now that it has two more missiles. It also has a RWR and can unlike the F-104A destroy bases.
ARB, S.O.4050 Vautour II A/B. 9.0 > 8.3. You forgot to move this down after you took away its air spawn. The only thing it was good at was bombing bases but it can’t reach them anymore. The interceptor variant, the S.O.4050 Vautour IIN (late), is at 8.3 with SARH missiles and more powerful engines so this should not be higher than 8.3.
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Air Simulator Su27 13.3>13.0
Both radar and rwr performed poorly, and it could not face a battle full of active radar shells.Since the MiG-29G can be in 13.0, the basic Su-27 can also be
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Would agree, but the Sea Vixen and Scimitar must go up to 9.0 in GRB.
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I get 105 moving up for decompression but the MTTD getting the same shell means its effectively the same tank just lower br. Same reload as an ace 105, same shell, thermals laser range finder etc just at a lower battle rating
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Naval RB, Le Malin 4.7 > 4.3
While the ship is better then the Aigle/Vauquelin classes, having a slightly higher top speed and one of the turrets facing forward, the French 4.3 lineup would use Le Malin going to that BR, especially when compared to the recently added Mogador, whose only downside is a 2 ROF reduction, while having better top speed, way better gun angles and the guns are in dual mounts, improving its accuracy.
In short, Le Malin does not belong at 4.7, while being slightly better than the Aigles, it is infinitively worse than Mogador in the same TT and other ships like Tashkyent or Frank Knox in other TTs
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um…did you not read the part where where they said 1 aircraft suggestion per reply??
Ground RB, KF-41 , 11.0(as proposed)>10.7
KF-41 is a lesser armored PUMA VTJF with even more unreliable Spikes and Gimmick APS that is Also unreliable
All Ground Spike Carriers should at the same br for they are similiar with little deviation via the vehicle platform
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SB being ignored again
Ground Realistic Battles, 2S6, Pantsir S1, ItO 90, FlaRakRad. Should go 0.3 BR Up.
Reasoning: Newly formed 10.7 lineups(old 10.3) shouldn’t see top tier SPAA because CAS at 10.7(and even at 11.0 for that matter) aren’t capable of any meaningfull counterplay against top tier SPAA. Idealy all listed SPAAs should receive individualised BR changes but since I’m limited in suggestions this is my proposal.
Pantsir S1 should go 12.3 just because of how capable it is, it is capable of pretty casually intercepting multiple incoming projectiles and planes. It is few heads above any other SPAA.
ItO90 should go 12.0 along with MBTs
FlaRakRad is less capable than ItO90, having less missiles in immediate availability, worse radar and worse mobility(not that it matters much but still) so it should ramain at 11.7
2S6 got it’s missile nerfed, BR lowered to 10.7, and then missile buffed back with BR not being restored to 11.0, it is has very good radar and overall is pretty capable SPAA so I convinced it definitely should go up for 0.3 as other tanks with this change.
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but to have to face aircraft such as SU25’s who have what seems to feel like a limitless supply of countermeasures, you can not do anything against, and like you siad, the Yak-38 at least has somewhat of a good offensive armament with having R-60s
Begleitpanzer 57 9,3 > 10,0. Infinite autoloader with high ROF, TOW as secondary option. Great mobility to effectivelly ingage to eney sides.
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Yeah volumatric can be very problematic.
But that wasn’t the part that the skill issue was about. The skill issue part is wanting the 279 to be moved down. It’s perfectly fine where it is now.
aircraft- Q5L
gamemode - all
br changes - none
changes: ability to carry pl2 air to air missile
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Plane - Mig 15 BIS ISH
Mode - ARB and GRB
BR - 8.0 → 8.3
It’s 1% worse then the mig 15 Bis (just ask DEFYN) which is already very good for 8.3, and for GRB CCIP rockets is too good for 8.0
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The Yak-38 has to deal with Su-25s and A-10s, same should the Harrier GR1. In no world should a fast-accelerating, decent manuevering jet with 4x SRAAMs should go anywhere near 8.0.
It was a counterpart to the F-2 Sabre since it was implemented in the game.
Idk what are you talking about.
Air RB, F-4J (USA). 12.0 > 11.7. It struggles a lot with constant up tiers, it’s unreasonable to expect it to go against F-15 when it does not have a chance against the Iranian F-14.
So the bearcat is 4.7 And can see A6M2 which is at 3.7 in a downtier
lol USA saving Pearl harbor!
what about :
1:No RAF planes got downtiered? Looking at the FG1 and FGR2 specifically
2: f3 demon goes to 9.0 with Aim 7s vs people with no RWR or chaff
3: J35 A doesnt get downtiered ? It gets smacked hard by 104s and F8U
4: ITA 104s stagnant with their AIM9P rear aspects ?
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