Is it too much to ask for 8.3 in GRB?? M163 clearly does not qualify for the lineup
GRB, TAM 2C. 10.0>9.7. Reasoning: With only weak armor, the 7.7s manual loading speed is not comparable to the 5s autolower of the CV90105, while both have the same BR. Mobility is also not competitive with light tanks of the same weight
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Ground RB, Pansir S1. 11.7 > 12.0. The pansir is by far the best SPAA in the game and its far better than the other 11.7 SPAA Its already really hard to deal with a pansir when flying a 13.7 (12.7 ground) aircraft and for 11.7 its basicly inposible (if the pansir has a brain)
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F-4B is a Navy F-4 which sits in other tree line in game.
So the change is harder than you think. ^^
Air RB, Shenyang F-5. 9.3 > 9.0
Lim5-p and mig17pf sit at 8.7 which have the exact same flight performance. Two pl-2 missiles do not warrant a two br step difference, it should be 9.0 like the mig17AS (if regular mig17 and mig17pf can be same br then so can those two)
Shenyang is basically unplayable at 9.3 due to the constant uptiers against planes with maneuverable AAMs and superior flight performance. At 9.0 it would be equal to something like the SMB2 or the G91Y or the cl13mk6 which makes way more sense than putting it at a br filled with early supersonics.
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Honestly if youre putting the F14s up to 12.7 you probably shouldbt be lowering the MiG-21Bis and MiG-23MF any. The F14 really was the biggest threat to that BR range.
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Naval Z46/Z47 - 4.7 > 4.3
HE only, no HE-VT, 1/3 number of rounds of the Gearing at the same BR.
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Do.217 E-4 4.7 → 4.3
The only difference between E-2 is MG FF cannon that is useless due it’s place in the front.
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Vehicle: Harrier Gr1
Gamemode: Air Realistic & Air Sim
BR Change: 9.7 -----> 9.3
Reason: The Harrier Gr1 has no RWR and no CMs. It is extremely vulnerable to any and all attacks, especially by those with All-aspect IR missiles. The “issue” with all Harriers that make them unrealistically hot, means that the Harrier Gr1 has no chance of survival when it encounters one of these aircraft. SRAAM perfromance is also extremely limited at the moment and is one of the weakest IR missiles at that BR. When compared to aircraft even like the Harrier Gr3 which has 2x Aim-9Gs, RWR and 60CMs at the same BR, the Harrier Gr1 looses most of its value. Within sim, you are totally blind to what is going on around you and you are spottable cross map due to the incorrect sooty exhaust, in sim especially, it needs a BR drop
Alternative solution: Fix SRAAM (2km range, all-aspect and fix the buggy TVC at short range)
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True
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Ground RB
SPIKE Armed IFVs: Puma VJTF, KF41, Namer 30, VBM Freccia, Vilkas IFV
10.7/11.0>10.3
SPIKEs are rather mythisized in gameplay, but those who played it would critique its unreliability. All of the SPIKE armed IFVs are lacking in at least one element that makes them competitive with other IFVs at the same BR.
QN506 should stay at 10.0 however, seeing that there are just no redeeming factors of the vehicle.
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GRB, Leopard 2A4. 10.3>10.3. Reasoning: With only weak armor, the 7.8s man-loading speed is completely uncompetitive compared to other MBTs of the same BR, and the mobility is also not competitive with the MTBs of the same BR
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I agree. Sub the F-4B or F-4D (with countermeasures) for the F-4C. As mentioned, it would not require flight or damage model changes… just a new skin.
There is precedent with replacement: the F6F-5 replaced the F6F-3 to add missing A2G capabilities that did not exist on the ‘-3’ model.
The game has evolved past the point where a Phantom without countermeasures but also with low-performance AAMs can be appropriately balanced.
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Ground RB, 2S38. 10.3 > 11.0. The 2S38 its by far the best light tank in the game and IRL its not even a light tank but a spaa. In war thunder it performs better than the HSTVL, CV9040C, LVKV 9040C and other multi role light tanks.
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Ta. 152C-3 6.3 → 6.0
Despite having good armament, it doesn’t have good flight performance even in comparison with Ta.152 H-1, which sits at lower BR
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No, the Shenyang remains a good opponent, and deals better than most 9.0,… flight performing wise every F-86F40(at 9.3) armed with 2x 9B’s are not a match to the shenyang F-5
We have been asking to decompress Top Tier tanks from weak tanks, like arietes, merkavas and challenger (and other 10.0-11.3). But you just moved all toptier tanks by 1 step, which is not solving the issue
Here is how I think it should be
Air
SU-27, J-11A 13.0 > 13.3 - HMD and best SARH missiles
JAS-39A 13.0 > 13.3 - HMD, good FM and 6x RB74(M)
SU-25SM3 12.3 > 12.0
Mirage 2000D-R1 12.3 > 12.0 Has no cannons and SARH missiles, and slightly worse FM than Mirage 2000C-S5
J-7E 11.3 > 11.7
J-7D 11.0 > 11.3
AMX A-1A 11.3 > 11.0
MIG-21(Bis/Bis-Sau/Lazur-M) should stay at their br
F-5A (China) 11.0 > 10.7
Buccaneer S.2B 10.7 > 10.3 Has no cannons, Subsonic and bad FM
F-4F (Early) 10.7 > 10.3 - Has no countermeasures
F8U-2 10.0 > 10.3
F-104C 9.3 > 9.7
AH-64D 12.0 > 11.7
Tanks
CCVL 10.0 > 10.3
Leopard 2AV 10.0 > 10.3
2S25M 10.0 > 10.3
CT-CV 105HP 10.0 > 10.3
AGS 11.0 > 11.3 (Add M900)
Pantsir S-1 11.7 > 12.0
These tanks should stay at their current BR:
T-80(U/UK), T-72(B/B(89)/AV), All Challengers (Except the 10.0/10.3 ones), All Merkavas, All Arietes (except the prototype one), Leopard 2 (2A4M, 2A5, 2A6, PL, 2 PSO), Puma VJTF, KF41, Centauro I (120/RGO),
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The absolute audacity to not fix or decompress naval BRs whatsoever whilst doing minor fixes to DDs and unplayed CLs is absolutely appalling. I get they want to keep Scharnhorst OP to keep Prinz Eugens selling but really gaijin?
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A-10C nicely skipped I see… Is there even a point in suggesting to move it up?
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Radkampfwagen 90 leave it on 9.7, reason: No termo and DM33 only.
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