This vehicle will never be truly fixed by simply changing the BRs, as it is a high-performance aircraft that also lacks countermeasures.
Put it too low: it will be overly oppressive in downtiers.
Put it too high: it will meet all-aspect missiles and be defenseless
My proposal is to rename the aircraft to F-4B (next to no changes to visual model required), add countermeasures, add AIM-7E. With actually useable missiles and flares it would be able to sit at 10.7 or 11.0 in Air RB, which is lower than F-4E, but still capable enough to be worth playing.
Vehicle: Phantom FG1
Gamemode: Air Realistic
BR Change: 12.0 ----> 11.7
Reason: It has one of the worst A2A weapon loadouts at that BR and is being carried by the fact it has decent engines and slightly more CMs than most. But VS equivalent F4s like the F4S, it stands no chance, let alone aircraft on its own tree like the Tornado F3 that is universally better in almost all respects at the same BR.
(Add Aim-9Ls to the Phantom FGR2 and leave it at 12.0)
R2Y2 V1/V2/V3 (lumping them together since differences are minimal, they all play the same, and all 3 been moved in BR together in the past, I’ll be more than glad to rewrite this as three different posts if needed)
8.0 → 7.3
With the Korean War-era jets moved down recently, the R2Y2s are facing unreasonable opposition:
Against which its outdated airframe and underpowered engines simply cannot compete. Its guns have also been nerfed in the last few months, so its firepower is much more unreliable now.
Ground RB, A-10C: 12.0 → 11.7 (could even be 11.3, but let’s start with small steps)
It’s a bad platform which means that it’s weapons don’t have a lot of range, making it an easy snack for SPAA like the Pantsir or even TOR/ItO. It’s laughable that it’s the same BR as the AV-8B+ and higher than the F-111F. Both of these aircraft are way better than the A-10C, no amount of weapon variety is going to change that.
The move up to 6.0 has proven to be a mistake. Too slow for this BR. Outmaneuvered by many planes it sees in a full downtier. Yes, it has good armament, but every aircraft at this BR is packing powerful 20 mms.
The plane has bad guns with bad positioning and low ammo capacity, bad flight model, average rear-aspect missiles, no RWR (which is essential for situational awareness in up tiers), very limited countermeasures.
With all these bad qualities, this plane is planned to be set at the same battle rating of Mig-21 bis platforms which carry 6 all aspect IR Missiles, SARH missiles, RWR and decent amount of countermeasures.
This simply doesn’t make sense. Please reduce the battle rating of the J35XS to 10.7 or even 10.3 considering many of its competition is also going down.
Vehicle: F8F-1
Gamemode: Air RB
BR Change: 5.0 ----> 5.0
Reason: It has sea level top speed as fast as Wyvern S4, and decent maunuverablity. Its climb rate is better than every single fighter from 3.7-5.7 aside from Spitfire LF MkIX, which is biased at 5.7. lowering F8F-1 to 4.7 is improper.
GRB, TAM 2C. 10.0>9.7. Reasoning: With only weak armor, the 7.7s manual loading speed is not comparable to the 5s autolower of the CV90105, while both have the same BR. Mobility is also not competitive with light tanks of the same weight
Ground RB, Pansir S1. 11.7 > 12.0. The pansir is by far the best SPAA in the game and its far better than the other 11.7 SPAA Its already really hard to deal with a pansir when flying a 13.7 (12.7 ground) aircraft and for 11.7 its basicly inposible (if the pansir has a brain)
Air RB, Shenyang F-5. 9.3 > 9.0
Lim5-p and mig17pf sit at 8.7 which have the exact same flight performance. Two pl-2 missiles do not warrant a two br step difference, it should be 9.0 like the mig17AS (if regular mig17 and mig17pf can be same br then so can those two)
Shenyang is basically unplayable at 9.3 due to the constant uptiers against planes with maneuverable AAMs and superior flight performance. At 9.0 it would be equal to something like the SMB2 or the G91Y or the cl13mk6 which makes way more sense than putting it at a br filled with early supersonics.
Honestly if youre putting the F14s up to 12.7 you probably shouldbt be lowering the MiG-21Bis and MiG-23MF any. The F14 really was the biggest threat to that BR range.
