AIR RB, A5C, 10.3>10.3. This plane is ‘‘attacker’’ only by name, due to limited weapon load it is used as a fighter and should compared to 10.3 fighters like for example: F-8E or Mig-21MF it doesn’t stand out aleredy and at 10.7 it will get sad, you have AMX with AIM-9L which is slower but with far better agility and weapon load. On top of that it is especially bad for a prem plane, imo prem plane performance should be in the middle.
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at 1.7
Chi-Ha Short Gun is only at 1.7 in RB and SB. Note that I said “Arcade”. HE slingers function differently (better) in arcade due to hit indicator and ever present highlighting of enemies. Also we both know that penetration isn’t what matters in a HE shell, so don’t act like that’s a reasonable objection. This plus other benefits that the Chi-Ha Short Gun has, like 180 degrees of horizontal guidance, do in fact make it simply better than the Sturmpanzer.
‘‘good’’ is relatiive, it has much better flight model than J-37D. Worse than most 4th gen fighters, outside of maybe MiG-29SMT.
J8F with 20m fuel - T/W 1.07
J-37D with 20m fuel - T/W 0.80
J-8F turn time fully spaded and aced: 27 seconds
Ja-37D turn time stock with no crew upgrades: 26.3 seconds
Naval RB, IJN Shimikaze. 5.0 > 4.7, the vehicle has superb torpedo armament but its guns are extremely lackluster compared to other 5.0 destroyers, however as torpedoes cannot be reloaded in naval RB, it’s effectiveness in battle is greatly limited (RB mode only), thus it’s BR in naval RB should be reduced.
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You have plane or you draw your conclusion from stat-card? If you got plane to game for a gunfight, wont be hard to prove you that J-37D stand no chance in practice.
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War Thunder Datamines, grains of salt where applied
What?
Naval RB, Primauguet, 5.0 > 4.7, compared to its premium counterpart Duguay-Trouin, it has lots of torpedoes, which makes it more effective in arcade battles, however, this doesn’t means that it’s BR should be 0.3 higher even in realistic battles, as in this case the torpedoes are slower with a limited number and usually cannot kill anything in battle.
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The game files, there’s people who look through the files to find information and post it in spreadsheets called datamines
Ah. Never saw those regarding aircraft, but every plane performs differently at different flight regimes. For example F-16 can barely turn at supersonic, but is one of best dogfighters at slow speed. But once again, i can create room and prove that you’re wrong if you have J-37D. I played both J-37 and J-8 and know more or less what they capable off. J-8A is roughly compareble to J37, J-8F smokes it.
Unfortunately I have neither, I assume the datamine data is found at optimal speed but nobody can really know. We can call it splits and say they both have very bad FP compared to other jets but it’s a toss up between who would win in a dogfight.
Air Realistic Battle, J-7D. 11.0 > 10.7.
The J-7D does not have the same offensive capabilities of the Migs that are coming into its BR range, compared to them the J-7D is already lacking all-aspect missiles thus getting hindered at the start of matches, the lack of any radar missile also affects it’s performance, making it, in the currenty state of the game, underperform too much when facing jets with good Radar missiles such as F4Ss and F4Es, the inability to have a proper offensive capability on the start of the match (lack of all aspect and long range missiles) hinders the only strategy (climbing and boom and zoom) useless when this types of jets are on the opposite forces.
If Migs are ellegible for the 11.0 BR, the J-7D should be moved to the 10.7 so it can face less radar fights and more jets focused in the dogfight, such as F5Cs and J35Ds, then it can have a chance to use it’s rear-aspect missiles along with other similar playing jets and ordinaces i.e. Aim-9ps and Aim-9es.
In general the J-7D is already lacking in its current BR, keeping it in place while other jets are moved just cause it to be more inefective, hindering it useless in any type of scenario, facing all aspects in its BR and powerful radar missiles not even in a full uptier, meaning, the only hope for a decent match is a full downtier, when it can face dogfighting enemies.
Those are my points, feel free to disagree with them, it’s all based on personal experience and some feedback when researching about the jet on youtube.
Edit to point some disparities in armament for the proposed 11.0:
Mig 21 Bis SAU, Lazur, Bis (6x R60[MK/M] = 30g - All Aspect) (4x R3R = Radar 8km 10g)
Mig 23M, MF (6x R60[MK/M] = 30g - All Aspect) (2x R23T = 20g - All Aspect) (2x R23R = Radar 20km 20g)
J-7D (4x PL-7 = 35g - Rear Aspect)
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In terms of range and max aam count it is the best yes.
However it has I believe the lowest G overload aam, and cannot defend itself unless you put yourself in position to die to it.
Dude… are you trying to rectify all these tech tree in one go? Like wow. Chill a bit eh?
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Naval AB & RB, Krasny Krym, 5.3 > 5.0. With a maximum of 8x130 guns available to fire, it’s firepower is similar to other 5.0 early cruisers such as Tama (6x140 maximum, slightly faster reload) or Trenton (7x152 maximum, slightly slower reload), but significantly weaker than 0ther 5.3 cruisers, and it’s armor isn’t impressive either. Currently I don’t believe there’s any reason for it to stay at 5.3.
Air RB, J35A . 9.7 > 9.3 Reasoning : RB24 missiles are too difficult to use in 10.7 top battles
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The spall liner might save you from dying here and there, but a properly placed shot disables you anyway, and you don’t have the reverse to get out of danger, so you just die to the next shot. The spall liner is much better on the Leos because they actually have the ability to retreat to safety and repair in some situations.
Strv 81/Centurion Mk. 3, AB:
7.7 → 7.3.
The 20pdr is very inconsistent at its BR, and it gets sucked up into the black hole of death (8.7) most of the time.
This would also give a decent lineup with the Ikv 91.
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Naval AB & RB, Spokoinyy, 5.3 > 5.0. Similar to the Krasny Krym, generally subpar at any aspect compared to other 5.3 vessels except fire control. However only 2x2 guns with significant gun distribution makes sniping ammo rooms at long ranges fairly difficult. It’s good performance before is mainly the consequence of fighting against large numbers of Moffett Silver Lion bots than it’s own capabilities. Since SL bots are now generally eliminated from naval battles now, the vessel (alongside with its premium counterpart Blagorodnyy)'s BR should be reconidered.